[HOT] landuse=residential and routing
john whelan
jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 31 20:57:11 UTC 2017
My understanding is all Yahoo.fr addresses have the same problem. BT in
the UK used to use Yahoo for their email system but have switched to their
own service. Yahoo in particular is in decline which probably means the
best techies don't want to work there and traditionally the email books and
configuration details are in English with translations only arriving about
twelve months later based on my knowledge in Canada where although we use
both English and French in the technical areas everyone used English.
I once got audited on a French translation that was sent to a group of
database administrators. It didn't make sense to him. It took me two
hours to explain two sentences to the auditor. The translators have a
language background not a technical one which is unfortunate. Eventually
the auditor accepted that for technical work such as I did they'd just do a
word for word translation and accept that the database administrators would
read and work from the English.
Cheerio John
On 31 Jul 2017 4:32 pm, "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> I am using yahoo as a provider. Is the situation the same with all people
> using yahoo email adresses?
>
>
> Pierre
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *De :* john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> *À :* AYTOUN RALPH <ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com>
> *Cc :* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> *Envoyé le :* lundi 31 juillet 2017 16h25
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] landuse=residential and routing
>
> Both this message and the one from Pierre have been marked as spam because
> they do not pass the correct authentication by gmail, I suspect their email
> providers have not configured their email servers correctly.
>
> I would suggest they both switch to a different email provider. Microsoft
> offers outlook besides google if you use Thunderbird that can pick up mail
> from different sources and consolidate it and send email through one
> particular provider.
>
> Google handles about thirty percent of the world's email traffic these
> days so if your emails do not get through to google users then there is a
> problem.
>
> The other possibility is talk to your email providers and get them to sort
> out their authentication.
>
> To read Pierre's and Ralph's comments which I think are useful, gmail
> users can go to their spam folder.
>
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 31 July 2017 at 14:45, <ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Marco,
>
> The correct drawing of roads should be through the village and not
> stopping on the residential boundary. In fact there should not be a node
> connecting road and boundary at all. In the example you showed there is a
> road running to the south and east bypassing the village. As there is no
> indication of any clear road through the village itself leads me to believe
> that those ways leading off the bypass are more likely to be paths that
> will weave between the buildings and should not be shown as possible
> vehicle routes.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Ralph
>
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> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:59:53 -0700
> From: Vao Matua <vaomatua at gmail.com>
> To: "Jens Mueller (Historical Research Services)" <hrs at hist.de>
> Cc: HOT Openstreetmap <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Highway Tag Africa wiki
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> Ukundji
>
> Thank you for you comments, yes Ethiopia needs to have an OSM restart.
> For the last 10 months I was living in SNNPR and was not able to meet a
> single OSM contributor.
> The infrastructure, unfortunately, makes OSM contributions and even use
> very difficult.
> Ethiopians would be very interested in getting OSMAnd on their phones,
> however, it appears to be a restricted app.
>
> In terms of paths to Ethiopian villages it is indeed the case that the
> primary or only transportation route to a population may only be by foot or
> donkey traffic on a path.
> I think the perception that a path is not important is quite common and is
> not true. Important or significant paths need to be mapped for commerce,
> food safety, and potential relief efforts, not only in Ethiopia but in
> other parts of Africa and places throughout the world.
>
> The discussion about importance
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap. org/wiki/Proposed_Features/ Importance>
> doesn't
> seem to have moved forward but could have some value.
>
> At SOTM Africa earlier this month there was quite a bit of discussion on
> highway tags, including paths. Based on that discussion I have updated
> the Africa
> Highway Tagging guide
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap. org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa> to help clarify
> that a road has not only a construction class as well as an economic or
> social function.
>
> Regards
>
> Emmor
> (Palolo <http://hdyc.neis-one.org/? Palolo>)
>
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jens Mueller (Historical Research
> Services) <hrs at hist.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I hope that you do not mind if I “jump into” your interesting and very
> > important discussion.
> >
> > I have had problems with the defintion of “unclassified roads” and
> “paths”.
> > Based on your defintion any roads which are not accessable by 4x4 wheel
> > cars should be tagged as “path” (or as “tracks” if they only connect to
> > agricultural places), even if they are the only roads which connect
> > settlements. Is this correct?
> >
> > Please take a short look (if you do not mind and have the time to do so)
> > at a “OSM forum” discussion two years ago.
> > I mapped in Ethiopia mainly oin the municipality of “Yemezegn”.
> > There are several roads of different sizes there, as decribed in my
> > posting.
> >
> > A native Ethiopian did in-depth research in that area for his master
> > thesis and stated:
> > “According to the observation data, two Kebeles namely Yemezegn and
> > Gibtsawit are inaccessable by vehicles and hence, do not have easy access
> > to public transport.”
> > And it seems as if he meant inaccesable by all (normal, including 4x4)
> > vehicles.
> > If this is indeed true, should all roads be tagged as paths?
> > https://forum.openstreetmap. org/viewtopic.php?id=54917
> >
> > Any help and ideas would be greatly appreciated after this would help me
> a
> > lot for other mapping projects in Ethiopia and DR Congo (near the Lake
> > Tanganyika, where a lot of settlements only have access by vehicles via
> the
> > Lake).
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Ukundji
> >
> >
> > *From:* john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 29, 2017 1:38 AM
> > *To:* hot at openstreetmap.org
> > *Subject:* [HOT] Highway Tag Africa wiki
> >
> > I seem to recall some one posting recently that following discussion at
> > the SOTM Africa in Uganda 2017 some changes had been made to the wiki.
> >
> > Could some one highlight these.
> >
> > Thanks John
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 03:20:36 -0700 (MST)
> From: mbranco <mbranco2 at gmail.com>
> To: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [HOT] landuse=residential and routing problems
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> Doing remote mapping in Nigeria (project #2768), I've a very basic question
> (sorry, but I searched a lot in wiki pages and mailing lists, I didn't find
> anything about) :
>
> all highways (usually 'unclassified') connecting a village need to be
> connected between them, for routing alghoritms?
> If so, and the village has no residential highways, have we to draw
> "virtual" roads (with highway=residential) inside the village to get the
> connection?
>
> Please look at this picture [1] to have an example.
>
> Cheers,
> Marco
>
> [1] https://drive.google.com/open? id= 0B65acVCG5NRQZ3VHTkFlaXR0RHM
> <https://drive.google.com/ open?id= 0B65acVCG5NRQZ3VHTkFlaXR0RHM>
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