[HOT] TM3 and validation
Florian Kratochwil
florian at kratochwil.at
Tue Oct 24 16:34:04 UTC 2017
After checking out the new TM as validator I can say: Respect! I like
it! It is way better than before and I am looking forward to validating.
I had one problem when validating multiple tiles of a user in JOSM
today. I clicked the button to download the data to JOSM but I didn't
get any OSM Data. I just got the imagery and the TM-Tile-Borders, but
the "OSM-Data"-Set was empty. I guess this is not what it should be? In
single tile validation I get the OSM-Data.
And I am curious what is behind the random task selection for
validation. It is really random or is there some algorithm behind which
gives me users which
- haven't been validated recently or
- have been invalidated recently or
- are beginners or
- have finished the tile just minutes ago or
- ...?
I really was waiting for this button, because now validators can focus
on validating without browsing for tiles. I think I will use this button
a lot.
Cheers,
Florian
Am 2017-10-21 um 22:27 schrieb john whelan:
> I'm after the most recently mapped tile because that one is the way
> they are currently mapping and that's what I'd like to correct.
>
> If I get a name that gives me one or more tiles. Which is the most
> recent? If they are mapping in a group they may well have corrected
> themselves or even by themselves they may have experimented then read
> the documentation and corrected themselves.
>
> I've had mappers with three of four years experience who have
> benefited from feedback. One was using highway=track rather than
> highway=unclassified because he once put in name=unclassified in JOSM
> got an error there after used highway=track. English even the US
> variety wasn't their first language.
>
> You should know by now I'm awkward and do things differently.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 21 October 2017 at 16:08, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com
> <mailto:bgirardot at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you just want to sort by "last feedback" then.
>
> That should tell you how long it has been since the mapper last got
> feedback and if it is the same as their registration time, you know
> they have probably never gotten feedback.
>
> Can you try that and see if it is a fair replacement for your most
> recently mapped task. I think it will get you the same thing
> essentially.
>
> regards
> blake
>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, john whelan
> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Remember I'm basically lazy. I do two things when I validate.
> The first is
> > clean up the second is provide feedback.
> >
> > The sooner someone receives feedback the better the response.
> You get more
> > tiles out of them and they are of a higher quality. This means
> less clean
> > up for me to do.
> >
> > Someone confirmed the feedback loop and confirmed that within 24
> hours is
> > best then you get a trickle down effect so after a week you get
> much lower
> > responses.
> >
> > The other part is if I'm validating tiles that are a week old am
> I going to
> > annoy the mapper because they may have already corrected their
> bad habits as
> > a result of earlier feedback and yet these are still being
> mentioned. So
> > the mapper doesn't get a warm fuzzy and to be honest it takes
> longer for me
> > to provide proper feedback than to have mapped the tile myself.
> Remember
> > I'm lazy.
> >
> > So when I land on a project the ideal is validate the most
> recently mapped
> > tiles first then quietly clean up the rest.
> >
> > Does that make it clearer? It's about problem avoidance or
> prevention
> > rather than verifying the mapping as such.
> >
> > The how long have they been mapping helps, some mappers I'll
> take a quick
> > glance at, newer mappers it's zoom in and look for a few more
> things.
> >
> > Thanks John
> >
> > On 21 Oct 2017 3:32 pm, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM"
> <blake.girardot at hotosm.org <mailto:blake.girardot at hotosm.org>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> If you could explain just a bit more about why the most recently
> >> mapped task is your main priority (sometimes)?
> >>
> >> I do not understand.
> >>
> >> I understand it has something to do with someone who mapped 3
> months
> >> ago, we now also send emails so time passed since they last
> mapped is
> >> much much less of an issue (Martin is going to maybe look at
> redoing
> >> his analysis).
> >>
> >> We actually started off with what you are asking for, but feedback
> >> from users was they were much more interested in getting to the
> newest
> >> mappers the fastest, which is what we ended up going with.
> >>
> >> Maybe it is easy to add back in, but that table is already
> pretty crowded.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Blake
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:37 PM, john whelan
> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I've found what you are doing on the video, your accent is
> fine you know
> >> > of
> >> > course that people studying English like what it is spoke
> years ago
> >> > travel
> >> > to parts of the US to record the Americans as their language
> has been
> >> > isolated for many years so it much closer to English what was
> spoke when
> >> > their families emigrated.
> >> >
> >> > Yes I can pick out a user who registered ten minutes ago and
> the tiles
> >> > they
> >> > mapped but that isn't what I'm after. I'm after the most
> recently
> >> > mapped
> >> > tile and that's the one that is the most valuable to give
> feedback on.
> >> >
> >> > By the way I'm using cut and paste on the name displayed
> below to give
> >> > feedback with the @ sign or <Crtl>i to grab the username in
> JOSM, its
> >> > faster
> >> > than typing it in as you were doing. Some mappers are
> naughty and do
> >> > not
> >> > completely map a tile, but their mapping still requires
> feedback even if
> >> > someone else finishes it off.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Cheerio John
> >> >
> >> > On 21 October 2017 at 14:20, Blake Girardot
> <bgirardot at gmail.com <mailto:bgirardot at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi John,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you very much for your feedback on the TM3, this and the
> >> >> previous. And thank you for putting them in GitHub, that is
> really the
> >> >> best place for them.
> >> >>
> >> >> The TM3 has better than the most recently mapped task.
> >> >>
> >> >> The most recently mapped task tells you nothing about the
> skill level
> >> >> or the newness of the mapper. It could have been completed
> by me, 7+
> >> >> years in OSM.
> >> >>
> >> >> What I really want is to find when I am validating is the newest
> >> >> mapper who someone has not already given feedback.
> >> >>
> >> >> No point in me giving a 2 hour old user feedback if you got
> one of
> >> >> their tasks 5 mins ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is what you can see in the Tasking Manager 3.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know my accent bugs you, so I made a silent video of how I
> use the
> >> >> TM3 to get the newest mappers feedback as fast as possible:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://youtu.be/BX8rzi2NqQY
> >> >>
> >> >> Let me know what you think of the workflow in the video if
> you would
> >> >> please.
> >> >>
> >> >> Respectfully,
> >> >> blake
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:06 AM, john whelan
> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Typically when I validate I validate the most recently
> mapped tiles
> >> >> > first
> >> >> > working on the principle that the faster feedback the more
> likely it
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > be effective.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If someone has already changed their habits telling them
> that two
> >> >> > villages
> >> >> > two kilometers apart are probably not connected by a
> primary highway
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > by
> >> >> > a minor road three months after they have mapped is a
> waste of time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I can't see how to do this in TM3. I need a link to the tile.
> >> >> >
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------
> >> >> Blake Girardot
> >> >> OSM Wiki -
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot>
> >> >> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
> <https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot>
> >> >> skype: jblakegirardot
> >> >> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel -
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >> --
> >> ----------------------------------------------------
> >> Blake Girardot
> >> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> >
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> Blake Girardot
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