[HOT] COVID-19 - How you can help

yo paseopor yopaseopor at gmail.com
Wed Mar 18 00:05:39 UTC 2020


 "I suggest you relax a little, if OpenStreetMap isn't fun try something
else. "
You have reason. I have to relax myself.
I have unsubscribed from this list.
Happy confinement.

yopaseopor

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:51 PM John Whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are plenty of urgent things that HOT hasn't mapped yet.  What one
> NGO thinks is urgent another might not agree.
>
> Take look at the Import mailing list and you'll find many blunter posts
> there.
>
> There is a range of points of view within OpenStreetMap yours is one of
> them.
>
> If you go back to the response to your first posts and read through them I
> think you will agree they were more polite.  Unfortunately you seemed
> unable to accept the advice given.
>
> Fredrick can come across as blunt sometimes but what he says often makes
> sense and I agree with him about the dangers of imports.
>
> You are in a well mapped area.  The locals probably know where their local
> pharmacy is.  From a medical point of view I'm unclear on how knowing
> details of where a pharmacy is is important to COVID-19.
>
> There are no known drugs at this point in time.  Soap and water is
> probably the most effective preventive treatment, that and not going down
> to the pub or restaurant.
>
> For the record I have done a fair amount of validation work in HOT
> projects until I grew tired of poor work that took more effort to validate
> than map correctly in the first place.  These days I spend time cleaning up
> the map, deleting duplicate buildings many of which have been mapped on HOT
> projects,  connecting villages that haven't been connected with highways
> etc.  I have had some experience with the import process and of gathering
> together support for the local mappers to do an import.
>
> I suggest you relax a little, if OpenStreetMap isn't fun try something
> else.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> yo paseopor wrote on 2020-03-17 6:25 PM:
>
> " But don't get me wrong. The problem is not the license or the
> discussion. The problem is you have offended me. I demand an apology."
>
> One responsible of here wrote:
>
> 1. Nothing is urgent here
> 2. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy is missing from OSM
> 3. You sit at home with nothing else to do.
>
> What do you think about this three topics? What if some one tell that
> about one of the HOT projects?
> Think about it.
>
> If some OSM user say that to other user that would be unacceptable
> If some HOT user say that to other user that would be unacceptable
> If some HOT responsible say that to other user would be unacceptable
> If some HOT responsible say that to a user about user's land would be
> unacceptable.
>
> I don't know  who you are. It does not matter.
> yopaseopor
>
> PD: I'm confined. For the first time ever Spanish school (as European
> schools) are stopped without date of return.Nor Civil War or II World War
> stopped the school and confined all the people.  Also major part of
> citizens of Europe are confined. It's time to act.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:57 PM John Whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a difference between HOT and OpenStreetMap.  HOT adds data to
>> OpenStreetMap and has to follow OpenStreetMaps rules when adding data as we
>> all do.
>>
>> If you are mapping from local knowledge ie I can see this that is fine by
>> OpenStreetMap rules.  The Import rules are for imports and are there for a
>> purpose which is to protect OpenStreetMap from having data added to it that
>> cannot be licensed by OpenStreetMap to its end users using the .ODBL
>> license.
>>
>> Getting the correct license does take time sometimes, it took me some
>> five years to get the local municipal open data license aligned with
>> OpenStreetMap.  It is today and we are able import the local bus stops.
>> Doesn't sound like much but we have all the phone numbers to dial to see
>> when the next bus is coming.
>>
>> The quality of some imports made in the past has been less than ideal.
>> Certainly there are places on the map that have tags saying fixme this
>> village name maybe 2 kilometers out.  I came across one village yesterday
>> with three different names which appeared to be from three different
>> imports.
>>
>> Today imports are challenged routinely.  Locally I handled the last one
>> because the person who did it before really didn't want to go through the
>> aggressive challenges to the license and data quality that came from the
>> import mailing list.
>>
>> Remember OpenStreetMap has many members, only some of whom believe that
>> imports are good.  Some others think if it hasn't been surveyed with a
>> mapper on the ground then it shouldn't be in the map.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> yo paseopor wrote on 2020-03-17 3:15 PM:
>>
>>   You insult me. You have said to a confined teacher (For 1st time ever,
>> and it is not a joke ALL the education has been stopped in Spain sine die)
>> literally: "you don't have any better to do".
>>
>> My first collaboration was Italy's 2015 Earthquake , in Amatrice. In 24
>> hours I was mapping first the existed buildings, from Bing or something
>> like that. 24 hours later I was tagging the same buildings following
>> millitary data: red destroyed, yellow ruined , green safe structures. It
>> was an emergency, we had to act in that moment, with no delay.
>> I talk about this in a interview in a MSF Mapathon.
>> https://beteve.cat/ciencia-i-tecnologia/crear-mapes-des-de-barcelona-per-fer-mes-accessible-lassistencia-medica-a-sierra-leone/
>>
>> That impacted me so much. That changed my life. Nobody's tell me, Hey!
>> you don't have anything better to do (was on summer holidays). From that,
>> have I gone to 9? 10 mapathons?
>>
>> 5 years later, in a National Emergency situation one of the "Lizard
>> People" of OSM told me when I have to tried to complete the pharmacies in
>> my land , with a data set with specific permission to OSM three things:
>>
>> 1. Nothing is urgent here
>> 2. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy is missing from OSM
>> 3. You sit at home with nothing else to do
>>
>> Tell me one reason to collaborate with HOT for Burundi or Burkina Faso if
>> I can't do with Catalonia or Spain, my land, with data which we have an
>> specific permission.
>>
>> But don't get me wrong. The problem is not the license or the discussion.
>> The problem is you have offended me. I demand an apology.
>> yopaseopor
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:53 PM Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 2020-03-17 16:47, yo paseopor wrote:
>>> > "Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy
>>> > is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent task because you
>>> > sit at home with nothing else to do." said by Frederik Ramm to an
>>> > Openstreetmap volunteer who is confined at home due to #COVID19
>>> > completing pharmacies in a zone, yesterday.
>>> >
>>> > Is this the way to promote HOT tasks or promote local mapping in OSM. I
>>> > don't think so.
>>>
>>> You didn't promote local mapping, you promoted an import that has
>>> meanwhile turned out to be a massive copyright violation because you
>>> decided to act first and ask questions later - which is exactly the kind
>>> of "help" that I am advocating against. I don't doubt your good
>>> intentions, but I am certain that every single person in the
>>> humanitarian sector knows that good intentions alone aren't sufficient.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>> Frederik
>>>
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