[Imports] Fwd: [Talk-us] Import of EPA data

[jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com]

Listen,

I support the idea of deleting the data. Should I do it? Its there an
easier way to delete a whole changeset?

I am still working on the processing, and will continue on this
outside of the OSM database.

It my a mistake to just import the data,
but as I said, I am willing to put the work into cleaning it up.  I am
commited to making sure that we have a solution to this.

My internet was cut off for the past two days, when all the data is
downloaded I will be able to tell you what is in the EPA dataset.

I wont be importing it directly but setting up a database.

Now, it should be easy enough, once the data is there, to also do
checks and updates.
>From a programming point of view, we should be able to tell if an ID
has changed, and as long as the IDS are present to be able to update
the data as needed in OSM.

mike


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Chris Hunter <chunter952 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks like this didn't go through to the Imports list first time.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Chris Hunter <chunter952 at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Import of EPA data
> To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org, imports at openstreetmap.org
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I just had a look at another area of the map in my neck of the woods, and
> I'm increasingly of the opinion that this data needs to be bulk deleted
> *ASAP* before more users start trying to correct it.  I realize you've put a
> good amount of effort into trying to write a script to retro-actively fix
> the data, but with all due respect, you're wrestling a WOMBAT.
>
> I'm also cross-posting to the imports list to see if they have any
> suggestions as to how best to handle the data.
>
> Again, I respect the time and effort you're putting into using this dataset,
> and I do feel that it would be useful to re-import once a review and a set
> of tags are agreed on.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris (DiverCTH)
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Chris Hunter <chunter952 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I ran across 2 misplaced / not immediately locatable points while mapping
>> a local airport.  Since I agree with David's take, I have deleted both.
>>
>> Changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3391401
>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:00 AM, David Fawcett <david.fawcett at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't support the import at this time either.
>>>>
>>>> I think that this type of data is far better queried from the source
>>>> at the time it is needed and mashed on top of OSM.  States are
>>>> continually improving this data and pushing it up to EPA where the
>>>> changes will be reflected in new versions of the KML file.  Is it
>>>> likely that OSM contributors will create diffs and hand edit the
>>>> locations and attributes as they change?
>>>>
>>>> If data like this is imported, it should not be done without a well
>>>> thought out tagging/description scheme that others buy into for
>>>> environmental data.  These tags should indicate the type of
>>>> environmental interest that it it is and if it is from a particular
>>>> EPA program, it would be very useful to use namespace specific tags
>>>> like type=epa:npl, type=epa:brownfield, etc.  Maybe a standard OSM tag
>>>> to indicate that the location has not been verified, like the tiger
>>>> data.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I think that if it is there, it should also be tagged in a
>>>> way that it doesn't show up on the default renders.  An interesting
>>>> project would be something like 'OpenEnviroMap'  (ala OpenPisteMap), a
>>>> stylesheet and tagging scheme to pull all flavors of environmental
>>>> info into a map.
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand what the rush is to put 100k of points into OSM
>>>> without the proper work up front.  In IT-speak, you seem to be heavily
>>>> invested in a solution without having done the business analysis or
>>>> established the business need.  I guess that is the beauty:horror of
>>>> OSM, it is a wiki, anyone can import whatever they want, however they
>>>> want.
>>>>
>>>> I am starting to repeat myself in these posts, so I really don't think
>>>> that I have anything else to add to this discussion.  If your goal is
>>>> to add value to the data or make the latest version of data available
>>>> to people who currently don't have access to it, I don't see the case
>>>> for putting it into OSM.  What is your goal behind this effort?
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>
> P.S. WOMBAT = Waste Of Money Brains And Time
>
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