[Imports] [nzopengis] Re: LINZ import Status

Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com
Tue Mar 16 12:33:49 GMT 2010

Btw, invite me to edit the google docs chart, i can help figure out
what tags i would recommend from my interpretation of the source
data/documents to use & get the ball rolling remotly :)

On 3/16/10, Sam Vekemans <acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> From my experiences.
> 1 -you need to cc: the imports at openstreetmap.org list (and be on this
> list for all those interested) during discussions (we can help you)
> 2 - import a test area to debate the tags that should be used. People
> have a hard time visualizing if its just a chart. (Ucluelet, BC was
> Canada's test area)
> 3 - list the tags to be used on wiki pages. From my experience, a
> google docs chart works to understand how many map features are
> available & the complexity of it, but the wiki chart to list all the
> categories of tags as nice clean wiki-tables. (378 unique features for
> Canada, if i remember right)
> 4 -make sure all the tags your using is listed as a OSM map feature,
> or at least 'proposed'.
> 5 - have a direct link to the 'terms of servace url page' from LINZ on
> your import status page.
> The TOS will state if it is needed to add 'attribution=Land
> Information New Zealand' to each tag or changeset (the changeset is
> should be just fine since it is clear on the wiki as anyone can find
> it)
> 6 -have a 'source=http... Wms layer or .osm file' added to every map
> feature are importing or (copying in) or (tracing) the last 2 is
> prefered. (just like we use source=gps; yahoo! Tracing or whatever is
> common locally. (i use 'source=Land Information Ontario WMS layer' for
> my tracing so far.
> 7 - have a note on the wiki with a link to the legal talk archives.
> AFAIK, no one has objected (use the main talk@ list to announce the
> progress)
> Note:
> OSM-imports, just like mapping your town, does not happen untill
> someone volunteers to sort through the source data & put it on wiki
> charts (or googleDocs chart, and invites others to help edit)
> We have learned through experience, that what i described above, will
> prevent the mistakes of TIGER, AND and a few others.
> Also, New Zealand is the only country without a talk-nz at osm mailing
> list. Which means that there are more GIS professionals on this list,
> than casual OSM mappers? This is a good thing, because (as Rob noted)
> your import process will be much better.
> Sam
> On 3/16/10, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 March 2010 22:11, Andrew Simpson > We've been around this loop
>> at least three times now.  This culminated in a
>>> very long thread on this mailing list last September, where the
>>> consensus
>>> was
>>> that new licence, old licence - it didn't matter.
>>> And yes, we've been to legal-talk list on at least two occasions too.
>>>  One
>>> of them was by you, and one was by me.
>>> Can we please stop re-hashing the same old line about waiting for the
>>> new
>>> licence - just in case...?
>>> As I said last September, if people keep putting up roadblocks, the
>>> import
>>> will never happen and OpenStreetMap will be the worse off for it.
>> you're right, but missing my badly explained point
>> this isn't just about the new license, waiting for it or otherwise.
>> it's about the best way to:
>> a) do the attribution
>> b) make sure we don't make any mistakes in other areas. there have
>> been dozens of imports around the world, we'd be dumb not to learn
>> form them
>> and to be honest, i've come to the conclusion that for whatever
>> reason, justifiably or not, the odbl is so far off, that waiting for
>> it is, you're right, hurting us. it was promised 2 years back, and
>> still it's in progress, which pisses me off. however, that doesn't
>> mean we can't ask for advice on how to do this
>> OR
>> ignore the guessing on the legal list, and my paranoia:
>> and do what several people on the legal list have said, i.e. ask linz
>> if the attribution method we have is ok
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