[Imports] Import of addresses in Poland

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W dniu 04-02-2014 23:30, imports-request at openstreetmap.org pisze:
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>     1. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Saikrishna Arcot)
>     2. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Serge Wroclawski)
>     3. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Mike N)
>     4. Re: Import of addresses in Poland (Dariusz B?czkowski)
>     5. Re: [osm-pl] Fwd: Re:  Import of addresses in Poland
>        (Zbigniew Czernik)
>     6. Re: [osm-pl] Fwd: Re: Import of addresses in Poland
>        (Bryce Nesbitt)
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> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:36:48 -0500
> From: Saikrishna Arcot <saiarcot895 at gmail.com>
> To: Dariusz B?czkowski <dariusz.baczkowski at esyscoder.pl>
> Cc: OSM Imports <imports at openstreetmap.org>, talk-pl at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of addresses in Poland
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> I think some addresses /do/ show on the rendered map at the highest zoom
> level on the OpenStreetMap website.
>
> Saikrishna Arcot
>
> On 02/04/2014 03:27 PM, Dariusz B?czkowski wrote:
>> On 04.02.2014 20:52, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 04.02.2014 20:44, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>> So, when I get time to work on my proposal again, I'm going to look at
>>>> the possibilities for providing the same data not directly within OSM,
>>>> but in geocoding layers that are commonly associated with OSM.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, naturally, I wonder if there are standards/conventions for
>>>> this.
>>> There aren't standards but there's a precursor - Nominatim actually
>>> contains code to convert US TIGER address data into an OSM file and
>>> then, in a second step, import that OSM file into its local database in
>>> addition to the "proper" OSM data. I think there's also code that makes
>>> sure that house numbers in OSM take precedence to the "background" TIGER
>>> data.
>>>
>>> I think it is probably not impossible to have a repository of ready-made
>>> OSM files with house numbers for various areas, and anyone setting up
>>> Nominatim could select the files for whatever areas they're interested
>>> in. I don't know however if this would require a clever way to deal with
>>> node ID ranges to avoid clashes.
>> What about address visibility on OSM data generated maps/tiles?
>> Without does being visible on map no one can verify them.
>> Verification is way easier and anyone can do it in his city just walking
>> with map showings on his phone. No JOSM editing proficiency necessary.
>> Then they can write on forum or talk-pl (they do that for everything now
>> anyway).
>>
>> For now all imports in Poland had positive verification and we should
>> have all Poland imported.
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:36:56 -0500
> From: Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com>
> To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
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> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>
>> As you probably know, OSM doesn't value data over community.
> This is not a universally accepted view in OSM, not even amongst the
> more senior members of our community. Those who don't agree with it
> are wrong, but it's not a universal belief.
>
>> This is also the reason we prefer "community imports" where perhaps one
>> person or a small group of people prepares data for import, but the
>> actual import is done by people local to the area, who know the place
>> and know what they're doing.
> In addition, we've seen that such processes are community building
> exercises. When they don't happen, the local community cannot benefit
> from the process.
>
> - Serge
>
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> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:41:30 -0500
> From: Mike N <niceman at att.net>
> To: imports at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of addresses in Poland
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> On 2/4/2014 3:27 PM, Dariusz B?czkowski wrote:
>> What about address visibility on OSM data generated maps/tiles?
>> Without does being visible on map no one can verify them.
>> Verification is way easier and anyone can do it in his city just walking
>> with map showings on his phone.
>    There are many cases where addresses are not shown on OSM tiles.  For
> some examples:
>
>     - Addresses spaced too close to render every one.
>     - Addresses added as part of a single-purpose building such as a
> restaurant.   Therefore only the restaurant or building name is shown.
>
>     A dedicated app or overlay that is aware of both OSM addresses and
> the hypothetical address repository would be better: show all addresses
> while walking down the street, and identify the source of the address by
> color.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:42:25 +0100
> From: Dariusz B?czkowski  <dariusz.baczkowski at esyscoder.pl>
> To: Saikrishna Arcot <saiarcot895 at gmail.com>
> Cc: OSM Imports <imports at openstreetmap.org>, talk-pl at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of addresses in Poland
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> On 04.02.2014 21:36, Saikrishna Arcot wrote:
>> I think some addresses /do/ show on the rendered map at the highest zoom
>> level on the OpenStreetMap website.
> Yes, imported data.
>
> People in US are confused: no address on map but Nominatim founds it,
> because it uses TIGER. There is no way to verify them just by walking
> with map in your hand. I saw many questions on forum/help sites about
> that when I was preparing our own instance of Nominatim.
>
>
>> On 02/04/2014 03:27 PM, Dariusz B?czkowski wrote:
>>> On 04.02.2014 20:52, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 04.02.2014 20:44, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>>> So, when I get time to work on my proposal again, I'm going to look at
>>>>> the possibilities for providing the same data not directly within OSM,
>>>>> but in geocoding layers that are commonly associated with OSM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, naturally, I wonder if there are standards/conventions for
>>>>> this.
>>>> There aren't standards but there's a precursor - Nominatim actually
>>>> contains code to convert US TIGER address data into an OSM file and
>>>> then, in a second step, import that OSM file into its local database in
>>>> addition to the "proper" OSM data. I think there's also code that makes
>>>> sure that house numbers in OSM take precedence to the "background" TIGER
>>>> data.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is probably not impossible to have a repository of ready-made
>>>> OSM files with house numbers for various areas, and anyone setting up
>>>> Nominatim could select the files for whatever areas they're interested
>>>> in. I don't know however if this would require a clever way to deal with
>>>> node ID ranges to avoid clashes.
>>> What about address visibility on OSM data generated maps/tiles?
>>> Without does being visible on map no one can verify them.
>>> Verification is way easier and anyone can do it in his city just walking
>>> with map showings on his phone. No JOSM editing proficiency necessary.
>>> Then they can write on forum or talk-pl (they do that for everything now
>>> anyway).
>>>
>>> For now all imports in Poland had positive verification and we should
>>> have all Poland imported.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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A few words about imports in Poland.
Importing data increases the value of the map and allows to verify 
street names or even their location . Imports are always discussed on 
the forum or IRC Polish . Importing process - are doing by people who 
know how to do it without causing conflicts in the database. After 
importing data , they are always verified by the community. If the main 
idea is to have OSM data reflect reality - a lack of imports (of course, 
well- made ​​) deviates from this idea. For example, the town of 50,000 
inhabitants - making the address points one by one would take years for 
sure and maybe more . If the process can be accelerated by increasing 
the value of the database , what for waiting? It is a time to doing it. 
In Poland, all new data users and data import are always verified by 
others. Zbigniew's jobs carries tremendous value , and cheers to an even 
more accurate mapping. Please see the rate at which increases Polish 
database . I support imports , which makes Zbigniew - they are made ​​ 
for the good of our community.

Personally I use now only navigation based on OSM data (as OsmAnd) No 
address data often means that I need to use commercial navigation. But 
are you sure of what we want? Is it a good way? If I spend my time (for 
free, no money) to create maps I want to use navigationfor free.
It is simpleand you do not have to wonder whether the person importing 
the data was it this place or not. I'm sure someone will be there, in 
the case of differences, can always leave an error message, which is 
also verified.It makes no sense to hinder a situation.The simplicity of 
operation makes the OSM project is developing so quickly. A bigger 
mistake is to draw a way that does not exist, than to import address 
data confirmed by local governments.
I hope that my argument is understandable.
Jarosław Stefaniak



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