[Imports] RFC for City of Basel Suburb Import

[Johannes Singler]

Hi all,

so the suburbs exist now, but no label is shown for them in Carto.
It seems that explicit label nodes are needed, although they are 
documented as being optional here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:boundary#Relation_members

Is this exemplary one okay?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5311627524
Then I would add the other ones accordingly, if needed.

Johannes

Am 29.12.2017 um 17:47 schrieb Johannes Singler:
> Hi folks,
> 
> due to conflicts coming in on an hourly basis (due to touching the 
> borders of Switzerland, Germany and France), I have uploaded the 
> changeset already, with boundary=administrative for now (for keeping the 
> change minimal).
> 
> We continue the discussion on on tagging and all, I can still easily 
> change that.  The important thing is that the changed segments are in, 
> as those caused the conflicts in the relations.
> 
> Johannes
> 
> Am 29.12.2017 um 14:32 schrieb Johannes Singler:
>> Hi Rafael,
>>
>> thanks for your feedback.
>>
>> Am 29.12.2017 um 06:22 schrieb Rafael Avila Coya:
>>> Hi, Johannes:
>>>
>>> Thank you for this work.
>>>
>>> I have just small questions about the import.
>>>
>>> I am not swiss, so I am not going to doubt that suburbs don't have 
>>> administrative significance, as you say in the wiki. But a bit 
>>> further down in the wiki you say "We will not import the 
>>> neighborhoods ("Wohnbezirke"), as some of their names are not 
>>> familiar to the general public, but seem to exist for administrative 
>>> statistical purposes only."
>>>
>>> So my understanding is that neighborhoods have some administrative 
>>> use, and so I find it a bit strange that suburbs, that are higher 
>>> level than neighborhoods, don't have any administrative interest (not 
>>> even statistical).
>>
>> Both are used for statistical purposes by the administration, the 
>> suburbs even more so.  However, there exist no political institutions 
>> for suburbs/neighborhoods (at least not consistently), that was the 
>> main argument on the Swiss mailing list.  But maybe we over-interpret 
>> the term "administrative" here, it does not read "political" after all.
>>
>> @Simon, what do you think?
>> In Bern, we have admin_levels both 9 and 10.  Okay, for 9, there exist 
>> "Quartierkommissionen" as political institutions (except for the inner 
>> city), but I don't know any political institution for admin_level 10 
>> (e.g. Breitenrain).
>>
>>> Also, in the boundary=administrative wiki [1] it gives admin_level=10 
>>> for neighborhoods in Switzerland, so it might be admin_level=9 or so 
>>> according to the wiki?
>>
>> Sure, admin_level=9 would be the perfect fit.
>>
>>> In case of continuing with that tagging, I guess the suburb segments 
>>> should have a boundary=suburb tag (they come with no tags in the osm 
>>> file you share).
>>
>> True, I forgot that.  However, the suburbs share many segments with 
>> higher-level administrative boundaries, should those then have the tag 
>> twice, or two semicolon-separated values for the key?  One more 
>> argument for using boundary=administrative, it seems.
>>
>>> boundary=suburb, as a new tag, should be documented in the OSM wiki, 
>>> in case it's finally decided to continue with that tagging schema.
>>
>> Well, it says "    All commonly used values according to Taginfo" 
>> there, and "suburb" is used in other places already.  "statistical" 
>> would be an alternative that is used even more often already.
>>
>> Overall, the simplest would be to just use boundary=administrative 
>> instead of boundary/place=suburb.
>>
>> Another argument against place/boundary=suburb is that the suburbs do 
>> not appear in address searches, e.g. "Terwijde" does not appear for 
>> this search:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=oskar%20nedbalhof#map=19/52.10646/5.03946&layers=N 
>>
>>
>> Johannes
>>
>>> Cheers, and have an excellent end of the year,
>>>
>>> Rafael.
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative
>>>
>>> On 28/12/17 14:42, Johannes Singler wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> after discussing this on the Swiss OSM mailing list (talk-ch), I 
>>>> hereby announce the import of the suburbs of the city of Basel in 
>>>> Switzerland.
>>>> The one-time import is manual and comprises 19 suburbs.  It touches 
>>>> three country borders, though.
>>>>
>>>> The import wiki page can be found here:
>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/City_of_Basel_Suburb_Import>
>>>>
>>>> I'm a local mapper living in the area.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to your comments,
>>>> Johannes
>>>>
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