[Imports] Import stop signs for blind persons in Katowice, Poland

[Rafael Avila Coya]

Hi, Łukasz:

Thank you for your interest in improving the access of disabled people 
to transport and another amenities in Katowice.

In your wiki, you are proposing to make changes to the tagging of bus 
and tram networks.

Public transport tagging is explained in the Public transport wiki [1]. 
There is one dedicated wiki to Buses [2].

Any change to that wiki should be best discussed in the tagging mailing 
list [3] or in the talk pages of those wikis.

In the wiki, you say the following:

"The opinion of companies producing navigation solutions for the blind

As you were able to read before, each of the application works in a 
different way. One application recognises a ref as a stop number, other 
not. I contacted the persons responsible for the applications and I was 
informed that if there will be a standard accepted by the OSM community 
they will change the software rules of reading stop names. So I took all 
of my knowledge in this place and I’m trying to create that standard."

Some remarks:

The opinion of companies, as well as the opinion of anyone else 
(individuals, organizations, etc.), is always welcome in OpenStreetMap, 
but we should not adjust our tagging schema to the needs of different 
companies, because they aren't the only ones interested in using the 
data. We map the reality the best we can, but we can't map for the 
different data consumers, because they will have in general different 
needs that we can't accommodate.

According to you, they say "if there will be a standard accepted by the 
OSM community they would do this and that". But there is actually a 
standard accepted by the community, that is what you read in the already 
mentioned Public transport and other wikis. With lots of discussions, 
and new proposals, yes, but we have and we follow those wikis to map 
public transport everywhere around the world, and quite well in my 
honest opinion.

According to the wiki [4], the ref tag means "Reference code of the bus 
stop", that is quite clear in my opinion. For example, in one of the 
tram stops examples of yours [5], we would have the following tags:

name="Pl. Bankowy"
ref="07"

You have also other tags, like local_ref...

Trams numbers 4, 15, 18 and 35 stop in that tram stop. Those numbers can 
be extracted by data consumers (companies, etc.) from each of the tram 
route relations. So no need to create a new stop_no tag either.

Apart from the tagging mailing list, I would suggest you first to 
contact your local Polish osm community, for example through the talk-pl 
mailing list [6]. I am sure they will be very glad to discuss with you 
about mapping all those objects for Katowice and other areas, so 
valuable for disabled people.

Cheers,

Rafael.

[1] Public Transport wiki: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport
[2] Buses mapping: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses
[3] Tagging ML: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[4] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Step_1_-_Make_sure_that_each_bus_stop_in_the_route_has_been_added_to_OpenStreetMap
[5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Ztm_sign.jpg
[6] Polish mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pl

O 26/08/20 ás 13:13, Łukasz Taraszka escribiu:
> Hello,
> 
> Blind persons are using GPS applications on their phones and use OSM 
> data as a most common and reliable data source.
> 
> We are a team of two programmers and we plan to add additional objects, 
> very important for a blind persons, to the OSM in Katowice Poland. These 
> objects will be stop signs.
> A stop sign is a place where people should wait for a tram or bus stop.
> 
> The concept and the explanation of the project is available on this Wiki 
> page: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#The_opinion_of_companies_producing_navigation_solutions_for_the_blind
> 
> We want to create a solution useful for the blind persons and build it 
> with the harmony with the community so your advices will be very helpful.
> 
> -- 
> Pozdrawiam
> Taraszka Łukasz
> tel. 668 462 791
> 
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