[Imports] Import of pharmacies in Catalunya, Spain.

Sat Mar 21 08:20:39 UTC 2020

Hello,

(from France — in case this can help to be considered neutral.
And, fortunately, able to understand written Latin-derived Catalan language)

It is quite sad to see that an official letter in Catalan language could
not be understood and recognized by the global OSM Community,
apparently, so far.

A sentence from the scanned original official authorization letter
explicitly states:
« Therefore, the information can be integrated into OpenStreetMap
cartography […] »

It is quite strange that this quite crucial sentence is currently
missing from all three « transcriptions » in the Wiki (Català, Español,
English)…
Maybe this explains the misunderstanding?

I also take this opportunity to remind that even virtual (on-line) «
endangering of other people », whether negligent or deliberate, (using
wording from French Code Pénal — assuming equivalent notions also exist
in other legislations) is liable to legal action.

Take good care of yourself, and of Others in the measure of your
possibilities.

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem

http://twitter.com/jgVisov

Le 16/03/2020 à 18:40, Lanxana . a écrit :
> Hi, 
> we discussed the import in Telegram groups, and then write to the
> lists. That's why times may have overlapped.
>
> All the task will be revised, you can, if you want.
>
> An user can have >1000 editions and his user_imports account only 10.
> It's less expert for this?
>
> All the pharmacies listed in the dataset are dispensing prescription
> drugs. Only the parapharmacies (not included in the dataset) would
> not. We don't know why another added dispensing=no to pharmacies. May
> be using non-spanhish recipes? Can I buy a prescription drug in France
> with my Spanish prescription, or would I have to go to a French doctor
> to send me a French prescription? I say then that the French pharmacy
> does not sell prescription drugs, and add dispensing=no?
>
> Finally, we could have done the import without giving explanations,
> without changesets or dedicated users, but we opted to, as far as
> possible, respond to community concerns to help, and follow the OSM
> import guidelines.
>
> If you see fit, reverse all changes, they are well identified. But I
> wonder how many imports are being made without the community knowing ...
>
> El lun., 16 mar. 2020 a las 18:08, Frederik Ramm (<frederik at remote.org
> <mailto:frederik at remote.org>>) escribió:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     On 2020-03-15 10:35, Lanxana . wrote:
>     > We set our goal in emergency services, and more specifically in
>     > pharmacies. We have had express permission for a long time to
>     reuse the
>     > official data, but the import has not been carried out yet. In a
>     short
>     > time we have prepared the project and its management through the
>     Task
>     > Manager, that allows coordinate and verify the tasks.
>
>     Please do not use the current health issue as an excuse to circumvent
>     usual processes in OSM. You can't let the import task sit around
>     forever
>     and then rush it through "because health crisis".
>
>     > The import basically consists of verifying the data of the
>     pharmacies
>     > already mapped (address and contact details) and adding those
>     that are
>     > not, and will be done by expert mappers, with several hours and
>     years
>     > behind us, and with experience in both map editing and HOT projects.
>
>     It appears to me that most of the import is being done by one single
>     user named "jlinfante_import". I would like to know what this mapper
>     maps apart from imports, but they haven't written anything in his user
>     profile that would point to their normal account.
>
>     > Although we know that it is not the usual procedure, given the
>     urgency
>
>     Nothing is urgent here. Nobody will suddenly suffer because a pharmacy
>     is missing from OSM. You are just making up an urgent task because you
>     sit at home with nothing else to do.
>
>     > after discussing it with the Spanish
>     > community (Spanish discussion list
>     >
>     <http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Importacion-equipamientos-basicos-de-Catalunya-farmacias-etc-tp5960515.html>)
>
>     This is a "discussion" that was started 24 hours before you wrote that
>     message claiming you "have discussed it", and the "community" you
>     discussed it with was two people. (Also I notice that many edits to
>     pharmacies have been made even before that message to the Spanish
>     list,
>     e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82178419 - it appears
>     that
>     you first set up the task and then thought about it later!)
>
>     This is a parody of an import process - it's almost like the "PEOPLE
>     WILL DIE!!!!" imports we saw from HOT in their early days, which
>     thankfully have made way for a more diligent approach.
>
>     > we have decided to start it without delay.
>
>     Rushed decisions like this have the potential to harm OSM, and in
>     principle the import should be reverted purely on the basis of
>     neglecting long-established procedure. We don't want everyone else to
>     "help" by starting some other remotely health-related import in their
>     country "because crisis".
>
>     Looking at the data in detail, I was struck by some changesets that
>     carry your tags but make other edits
>     (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82265474?node_page=1), others
>     that have an "operator" tag that has the name of the pharmacist in
>     all-capital letters
>     (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7294905972) and
>     the occasional replacement of a "dispensing=no" with a
>     "dispensing=yes"
>     (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1945875594/history) - are you
>     *absolutely* sure that the original mapper was wrong in manually
>     adding
>     "dispensing=no", or are you just overwriting that on a whim?
>
>     Bye
>     Frederik
>
>     -- 
>     Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org
>     <mailto:frederik at remote.org>  ##  N49°00'09" E008°23'33"
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