[Imports] Queens, NYC addresses (was: United States Poultry Import)

[Jmapb]

On 4/20/2022 6:52 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> The NYS E911 address point data has a 'zipcity' column that's supposed
> to contain the 'postal city'. I recently redid about 130,000 buildings
> in NY State to use it, because `addr:city` was giving unacceptable
> values relative to the ZIP code - usually because it was an enclosing
> village rather than the serving post office. There were a bunch of
> other address defects, like dropping the street name prefix and
> suffix, giving 'Church' in place of 'West Church Street', or whatever.
>
> The only ones that I hit were the ones that `miluethi` and his horde
> of sock puppets imported.  If there are systemic problems with NYC
> address points, we could consider designing another mechanical edit to
> address them.

Well then maybe this discussion *does* belong on the Imports list ;)

We're having a NYC meetup tomorrow and I'm hoping to wrangle some
opinions. If you happen to wake up in Brooklyn tomorrow, please drop by
(https://osmcal.org/event/1286/) , but I'd appreciate your input regardless.

Personally I'm skittish about broad mechanical edits, especially over
data that's heavily in use. What will the addition of addr:city tags
gain us? Is the current situation enough of a problem to warrant
mass-tagging of E911's zipcity into addr:city? In Queens only, or
citywide? What are the possible downsides? And how do we evaluate
zipcity's accuracy, when there's nothing to check it against? (Spot
checking against USPS is possible, of course, if that's deemed useful.)

In my experience, the issue of Queens' hyphenated housenumbers is a much
bigger problem. How do we let mappers and data consumers know that 30-34
42nd St is the same as 3034 42 St in Queens, but anywhere else in NYC it
means a range from housenumber 30 to housenumber 34? What's the best way
to tag this, and how do we help mappers get it right? (This is a real
problem right now -- compare a search for "3034 42nd St Queens NY" on
Nominatim, or any OSM-based mobile app, versus our corporate analogs.)

As I said, I hope to bring up these issues tomorrow, but I don't
advocate any swift action. Whatever our course, I'm hoping it's a
cautious and deliberate one.

Cheers,
Jason
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