[Imports] Redmond WA Address Import proposal

[Matthew Whilden]

Hello everyone!

Thanks for taking the time. I totally agree that the license is ...
interesting. My interest in the dataset arose because it is regularly
mentioned by local mapping folks as a good source we can pull from. This
seems to be largely because of written permission received several years
ago and mentioned in under King County Washington here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_States

I am not a license person so will happily call the license posted as not
compatible with ODbL etc. But then the question becomes... Does the earlier
permission we've logged control the issue? My, maybe naive, impression was
yes.

Sorry if any of this is covered elsewhere. I've tried to do my homework but
there's a lot to chew off all at once.

Matt (watmildon)

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 3:32 AM Greg Troxel <gdt at lexort.com> wrote:

>
> Mike Thompson <miketho16 at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > There is also this, which seems to be problematic:
> > You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless King County and its
> > officers, directors, and employees from and against all fines, suits,
> > proceedings, claims, causes of action, demands, or liabilities of any
> kind
> > or of any nature arising out of or in connection with your use of the
> Data
>
> I wouldn't say "seems"!  Any kind of indemnification or hold harmless is
> totally and absolutely NOT OK at all.
>
> What this means, is that the person agreeing to this license agrees that
>
>   suppose they put the data in a navigation device
>
>   someone else uses that navigation device
>
>   something bad happens
>
>   someone -- anyone -- sues King County with any kind of claim that
>   somehow the bad thing was "arising out of use" or was "connected to
>   use"
>
>   then,
>
>   the person who agreed will pay the judgement etc.
>
>
> This is just crazy, and IMHO the law should hold such contracts to be
> void as contrary to public policy (by waiving negligence and putting it
> on some other party, especially when the first party knows that the
> other party lacks legal sophistication and is likely not to understand
> the terms).  But that's not how it is, apparently.
>
>
> I would suggest talking to them, and to your elected officials to get
> the government to just publish as public domain.
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