[josm-dev] Filter Google from Imagery?

[Dirk Stöcker]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Frederik Ramm wrote:

>>  I have nothing against additional warnings (also possible related to a
>>  time delay to enforce reading texts) for cases where we know they have
>>  been misused. But I'm strctly against encrippling the software.
>
> Then let's set up a second build process, somewhere outside of 
> openstreetmap.{de|org}, where someone who is interested in a non-OSM version 
> of JOSM can build releases to his heart's content and distribute them. 
> Releases that do not talk to the OSM server preferably, and releases that 
> *if* they talk to the OSM server, clearly identify themselves. OSMF could 
> then decide to block those releases from accessing the API at any time if 
> they so desire.
>
> In fact I would be very happy if someone from outside OSM - one of the 
> much-talked-about non-OSM users of JOSM - would set up this build process. 
> I'll happily help them prepare the patches that get rid of tile blacklisting.

This approach will not work.

1) We aren't even able to manage a working JOSM applet although this on
    the same server. But code tends to continously break the applet again.

2) People rely on established infrastructure. Such a "for-non-osm-use"
    will not be seen and accepted.

Although theoretical a good idea it will not work in praxis.

As admin and due to my work in field of geodesy I get certain requests and 
contacts which I don't talk about, but which are encouraging for me, that 
JOSM and other OSM infrastructure tools get wider acceptance. For me it is 
also important, that these projects and ideas grow. I would hate to see 
them dying because we enforce certain rules which do not apply to them. 
Most time in the non OpenSource-business they reaction is not "Ok, we 
fork", but "Let's use something else from an establish company". It is 
already hard enough to encourage these users to cope with the known 
problems of opensource development and usually you fail.

> We have users who have made it clear - some in this very thread - that they 
> will ignore these warnings. It is us, here in OpenStreetMap, who will later 
> have to clean up the mess. Warnings are not enough.

I hate to do final decisions based on the stuff people say. I would prefer 
evaluation based on facts.

Ciao
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