[OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM layer into Adobe Illustrator?

[rob at robmyers.org]

Quoting "Robert (Jamie) Munro" <rjmunro at arjam.net>:

>> Which specific data do you feel BY-SA will prevent you from adding to
>> your work?
>
> I can't use any BY-SA data in my work because I can't ask the client to
> SA work they have paid me for and expect them to understand what this
> means and agree that it is a good idea. It's hard enough to persuade
> them that it's OK to use linux on their servers.

It's always a struggle to get clients to save money.

Explain to them that they can pay however much for you to get OS data 
or you can
get OSM data for free as long as you print a small disclaimer.

Using OSM data doesn't mean they need to hire a Linux nerd or retrain anyone.
It's not really the same as switiching from IIS to Apache.

> What about if they want to use the map in a private staff manual?

If it's an illustration it's the same as for photographs: illustrations don't
infect surrounding text. (IANAL, TINLA). So it's no problem.

> The main problem is not that they can't use the map, it's that they
> don't know that they certainly can use the map. The license doesn't make
> it clear enough - they will always fear they have some future need for
> the map, that they can't do.

This is the same with any licensing scheme, including proprietary 
licensing. OSM
is not a higher risk.

> I can't persuade them, because it's easier for them to find another
> designer than it is for them to listen. Big corporates are like that.
> It's hard enough to persuade them to use Linux as a web server. "But we
> don't have any in house developers!" I can't do SA. I would have to use
> another data source.

This would not harm you, as the cost will be included in your budget. And it
will not harm OSM, as the project would gain no new data anyway.

> I could put up signs in the university saying "Map data copyright Open
> Street Map - www.openstreetmap.org" in small writing at the bottom. Some
> people (students, staff etc.) might wonder what that is, and might
> become OSM users. For me to do this requires 2 things:
>
> 1. OSM must be the copyright holder of their data.
> 2. I need a non SA license.

I don't understand why you can put up copyright notices in one format 
but not in
the format that BY-SA requires. I also don't understand why this requires a
non-SA license. Even if maps don't count as illustrations there are easy ways
of untangling maps from other signage.

> As an exercise, why don't you write a letter to a major organisation
> asking them to use OSM data? See what they say. I'd suggest BBC News, or
> a local council. Don't use anyone who has had any contact with the
> project before.

OK. I'll try some media and some local government people and let you 
know how I
get on.

- Rob.