[OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks

SteveC steve at asklater.com
Tue May 12 20:12:01 BST 2009

On 12 May 2009, at 12:02, Martijn van Exel wrote:

> My thoughts:
> I think a debate of some kind will be preferable over a one-sided
> presentation of the state of affairs or even the process.

it's not an either-or, we can do both :-)

> This has
> been a hotly debated topic over the last period, I believe some format
> involving the audience is therefore called for.

> If we're going to involve Rufus and Jordan, 1hr might not even be
> enough time. It is complicated business we're dealing with and most in
> the audience will need some introduction (say 20 or even 30mins).
> Someone in the legal WG explaining:
> * Key differences between current and envisaged license.
> * Key arguments for changing over
> * Timeline: where are we, where will we be 3m, 6m, 1y from now
> * What can you do? What is expected of you?
> I know most of these topics have been dealt with extensively on the
> lists and on the wiki, but if we want a lively debate involving the
> audience, we will require this refresher course.
> That would leave about 30-40mins for a debate. That can only work if
> we have good moderation around a couple of well chosen topic, I think
> no more than three, allowing 10-15 mins per topic.
> If we plan this before lunch or at the end of the day (I'd prefer the
> former, a heavyweight topic at the end of the day will not go down
> well) we can have informal discussion afterwards.
> Take care,
> martijn van exel -+- mvexel at gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 01:24, SteveC <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in
>> the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to  
>> propose
>> talk(s) about the license at SOTM.
>> Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we
>> thought it would be good to flesh them out here and see what you guys
>> think might work, or not. So here are some ideas to think around, or
>> if you have your own please chime in. We can do these, some
>> combination, all of them, or whatever. We'd like your help in  
>> thinking
>> what the best things to do are
>> 1) A high level, simple, talk for the business day on rough use cases
>> on the data and best practise. Something like "you can use OSM data
>> but make sure you don't mix it with proprietary data, make sure you
>> attribute OSM". This wouldn't be a perfect talk, but would give
>> businesses and people looking to get involved with OSM a high level
>> introduction without getting too scary
>> 2) A talk at the main OSM conf days about the PROCESS of the legal
>> working group. How often we meet, who we are, how a meeting goes,  
>> what
>> we discuss, who we talk to, what the minutes look like, how to get
>> involved... This is just about how we work, not the subject matter to
>> give people a better insight in to what goes on.
>> 3) A debate at the main OSM conf. A panel of key members of the
>> license working group plus jordan and rufus. It lasts an hour. 15
>> minutes are brief introductions and points of view from the panel
>> members and then 45 minutes of open debate on any license issue  
>> with a
>> moderator. This might be before lunch or a break so people can
>> continue discussing afterward.
>> 4) The same as (3) but with a _structured_ debate. Say 4 main topics
>> and 10 minutes debate on each, or 3 topics of 15 minutes each.
>> Something like that so that rather than debate about anything we
>> debate some key issues to make sure they are covered.
>> Remember these are only ideas to be discussed here, not our solid
>> plans. Thoughts?
>> Best
>> Steve
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