[OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

[Anthony]

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> Anthony wrote:
>>
>> I don't trust the OSMF to properly remove
>> all of my work and derivatives of my work if/when they stop releasing
>> those derivatives under CC-BY-SA.
>
> In December last year we had a guy also called Anthony on legal-talk who
> said:
>
>> I live in the United States, where
>> factual databases are public domain, and while I have no problem with OSM
>> using my contributions in any way whatsoever, I do have a problem with
>> agreeing to a contract limiting my rights to use the OSM database.
>
> If that was you back then: Why should you request OSMF to "properly remove
> all of your work" when at the same time you "have no problem with OSM using
> my contributions in any way whatsoever"?

IIRC, SteveC convinced me that my work should be sharealike a short
time after I wrote that.  Also I read numerous arguments which
convinced me that OSM is not just a factual database.  That was, I
believe, one of my first posts to the list about the matter, and
certainly before I realized what a bumbling mess this whole process
was.

In any case, I think you see one of the reasons I've stopped
contributing, rather than contributing now and expecting that my work
would be removed should I choose not to go ODbL.

> If you really consider your contributions to be in the public domain then
> good news for you: we do not require your agreeing to any contract.

Why should what I think (or what I thought) have anything to do with
what you're allowed to do?

>> I'm currently working on a fork.
>
> Still, or again? As far as I remember you were working on a fork in 2009 as
> well.

Your memory about what I do must be better than mine.  It's certainly
possible.  I downloaded the full history dump pretty much as soon as
it was released and started trying to reconstruct the OSM database.
But I don't know if I'd call it "working on a fork".

>> I think that's the most productive
>> work I can do with OSM at the moment.  Unfortunately I don't have the
>> resources right now for a public fork, so unless/until someone with
>> such resources (*) does step up, my work is going to be mostly
>> private.
>
> Maybe you could re-use the server previously used for your complete
> Wikipedia fork,
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/Mno#The_Mcfly_Network

I can't remember if that was the machine I currently have in my
closet, or if it was hosted on a virtual server.  In any case, I took
it down years ago, after it stopped making enough money to pay for
itself.

I really enjoy working with huge databases.

> Alternatively, you could perhaps contribute to CommonMap (commonmap.info)
> who are not a fork of OSM but "acknowledge OSM as inspiration" and are not
> planning to use ODbL as far as I can see.

Nah.  Forks are more fun.