[OSM-legal-talk] Noise vs unanswered questions

[TimSC]

On 01/09/10 22:55, SteveC wrote:
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Liz wrote:
>    
>> The complete lack of any arguments left in the brains of the pro-ODbL lobby
>> shows in the complete falling apart of any discussion on this list, with
>> previously thoughtful people concentrating on personal attacks on others,
>> mostly claiming that they are making personal attacks.
>>      
> Um, no, just all the smart people are kind of bored by you and your friends so we don't participate in the mindless circular 'debates' you engender any more. So all we have left on the list is you guys jerking off.
>    

I would have hoped the guy who established moderation on the lists would 
have thought to avoid insulting people. Will the other moderators do 
their job or just rally round Steve, regardless what he says on the list?

Also, try answering Liz's question [1]. If you have previously done so, 
link to the old discussion. Otherwise, it might be interpreted that you 
just change the subject to personal attacks to avoid the topic. So I 
call on OSMF to engage in this discussion (I cc'ed the board). I might 
add some supplementary questions:

1) How is the future direction of OSM determined? Community consensus? 
OSMF committees with OSMF votes? Something else?

2) What is the primary forum to establish community consensus? For 
gaining consensus, is that forum representative of the entire OSM community?

If it is community consensus:

3) Do we have community consensus to change the license?

4) Do we have community consensus to change to ODbL?

If yes:

5) On what date was it clear that we had community consensus for the 
license change? Where is this documented? (Saying it's obvious is not 
good enough. Documentation please.)

6) On what date was it clear that we had community consensus for 
CTs/ODbL? Where is this documented?

If you can't point me to the answer, or specifically answer these 
questions, the current direction of OSM is definitely in question. In 
fact, the information should be at your finger tips. If you can't enter 
this debate without ad hominem attacks, I suggest you don't waste your 
time responding. And I am trying to engage OSMF using official channels 
on this issue too [2], but that debate has not attracted much interest yet.

TimSC

[1] 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-September/004431.html
[2] 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/strategic/2010-August/000137.html