[OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD
SteveC
steve at asklater.com
Thu Aug 25 02:22:18 BST 2011
On 8/24/2011 8:56 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
>
> But probably the buck would stop with the OSMF. Distributing data just
> because somebody on the web said it was PD has a high likelihood of being
> considered negligent.
You need to search around for "safe harbor provisions".
Steve
>
> Simon
>
> Am 24.08.2011 17:45, schrieb yarrel at gmail.com:
>> If you lie about your ability to PD data, you are liable for the effects.
>>
>> Whatever you do or don't sign.
>>
>> - Rob.
>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" <g.gremmen at cetest.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Signing (clicking) the CT explicitly transfers the
>> liability of the suitability to the contributor,
>> where declaring PD does not.
>> The Board wants us to sign a contract with them.
>> It's not about data but about compliance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gert Gremmen,
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:richard at systemeD.net]
>> Verzonden: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:53 PM
>> Aan:legal-talk at openstreetmap.org
>> Onderwerp: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as
>> PD
>>
>> There's a curious statement in the LWG minutes for 2nd August
>> (https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_1252tt382df).
>>
>> > Folks who have declined the new contributor terms but said their
>> > contributions are public
>> domain.
>> >
>> > There has been a suggestion that such contributions should be
>> > maintained in the current OSM database even after a switch to
>> > ODbL.
>> >
>> > A very small number of contributors have declined the new
>> > contributor terms and asserted that the their contributions are in
>> > the public domain. This does not mean that the collective data in
>> > the OSM database is public domain. Their 'PD' position contradicts
>> > the explicit decline. Therefore the LWG takes the position that
>> > their contributions cannot be published under ODbL without
>> > acceptance of the contribut[or terms].
>>
>> (I think the two contributors affected by this are Tim Sheerman-Chase
>> and
>> Florian Lohoff, but there may be others.)
>>
>> I'm a little puzzled by this. "Asserting that one's contributions are in
>> the public domain" is saying, in the words of the disclaimer used on
>> Wikipedia and on
>> the OSM wiki, "I grant anyone the right to use my
>> contributions for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such
>> conditions are required by law".
>>
>> Therefore I don't see any reason why the data cannot be included in OSM.
>> The contributor has given a grant of all rights - not just copyright,
>> but
>> any database right or indeed other right that might exist. There is no
>> difference between (say) TimSC's PD data and the TIGER PD data, but
>> we're
>> not requiring the US Census Bureau to sign the terms.[1]
>>
>> The minute says "Their 'PD' position contradicts the explicit decline",
>> which seems to me to be true legally but not "politically". There are
>> people who do not wish to enter into a formal agreement with OSMF, and
>> though I think they're mistaken, they doubtless have their own reasons.
>>
>> What am I missing? What exactly is meant by "the collective data in the
>> OSM database"?
>>
>> cheers
>> Richard
>>
>> [1] I am diplomatically ignoring the fact that there is no proof that US
>> Federal data is public domain _outside_ the States ;)
>>
>>
>>
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