[OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
g.gremmen at cetest.nl
Thu Jul 7 09:13:53 BST 2011
+1
Frederik has not shown much respect for any argument
nor to anyone that disagrees with the future commercialisation
of OSM. (with that I means making OSM optimally fit for commercial use;
disregarding the open principles that OSM started with:
leaving out the Share Alike principle)
I think this discussion about copyright is really valuable, seen from
the perspective of
copyright laws around the world, and the ongoing legal differentiation
between databases filled with facts and those filled with creative
works,
where the latter are supposed copyrightable and the earlier are not.
Legal discusiions are going on everywhere in the world, and are
supported by
legal cases in several places around the world confirming the
distinciton between factual databases
(of which the content is not copyrightable) and creative databases
(copyrightble).
John thinks different about this then I, though we both support
continuing
the CC-BY-SA forks, that I believe will change into PD one day due to
the above
legal interpretations. FOSM will not have deleted the data the OSM will
at that time.
Frederik, I believe it is way below your professional level to respond
like this.
Anyone is free to spend its time discusiing this issues, and ignoring it
will
not make them diasappear. If international copyrigth laws will change
as i
expect, OSM be better prepared, and not be surprised.
Simon, stop scratching frederiks back. no need to apologise.
Gert
cetest @ fosm.org
Van: 80n [mailto:80n80n at gmail.com]
Verzonden: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:36 AM
Aan: Licensing and other legal discussions.
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
wrote:
Simon,
Andreas,
all,
when discussing these things with the person who goes by the pseudonym
of "John Smith", keep in mind that he is spending a lot of time
building/supporting an OpenStreetMap "fork".
The forkers, as I like to call them, are driven by all kinds of
motivations, the most benign probably being a sincere worry about data
loss - they believe that the license change is going to hurt OSM so much
that they must do all they can do retain a live copy of the "old OSM",
or even dissuade OSMF from changing altogether.
Frederik,
I'm sure you've been paying attention an know full well that the reason
fosm.org exists is because we have grave concerns about the new license.
The only thing we are forking is the license, we are not forking the
tagging scheme or the community or even the objectives of OSM.
Data loss is your problem not ours. I see people doing thought
experiments about how they can get around the wishes of contributors who
have, in good faith, provided their content under the CC license. Those
people who have not agreed to the CT have not consented for their
content to be used in any other way. You should respect that.
A main objective of OSM was to create maps that were free enough to be
used by everyone. Anything that steps across the line will taint OSM
with the impurity that we strived for so long to avoid.
There will forever be doubt about the provenance of OSM data.
80n
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