[OSM-legal-talk] FW: OSM place name data from Turkey

[Simon Poole]

Am 29.04.2013 10:18, schrieb Paul Norman:
>> From: Simon Poole [mailto:simon at poole.ch]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:58 PM
>> To: legal-talk at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] FW: OSM place name data from Turkey
>>
>> Hi Paul
>>
>> Has anybody from the TR community tried to get permission from HGK (with
>> a pointer that the data is freely available elsewhere and that removing
>> it would add up to deleting and re-adding exactly the same data)? Having
>> such permission would seem to be the best solution right now.
> People have tried contacting other agencies, but to the best of my
> knowledge, no one has had any success with HGK.
>
> To be clear, it's not the UN who needs to be contacted to get permission,
> it's HGK.

Yes, I read the thread on the mailing list and it doesn't seem as if
there is actually a 1-to-1 replacement for the data from any other
place, so that part of the discussion seems to be moot.

>
>> 2nd question why would somebody re add the HGK data if the same data is
>> available from a different agency? Potentially the solution would be to
>> redact and add the OK data at the same time.
> We don't have the technical means to do anything but a redaction through the
> bot, and I don't see us developing it.
>
> How about this. My understanding of the workflow of the user is that they
> took the HGK data (names, object type and location) and then moved it to
> agree with imagery, then uploaded, creating v1 of the nodes.
>
> The names obviously have to go, but if they've verified the object type and
> location against imagery, could we keep that?

I don't see a reason why not, the LWG has taken the position in the past
that the IP is not tied to the OSM object in question, so for example
moving an object substantially would clearly not just technically
overwrite any IP in the original coordinates. However in the current
case I doubt that there is actually something useful for OSM left once
the names are gone.

Simon