[OSM-legal-talk] New contributing agency
Simon Poole
simon at poole.ch
Thu Nov 21 10:21:56 UTC 2013
(IMHO naturally) From a content pov, an agreement or a statement from a
contributing agency should be based roughly on the terms laid down in
the contributor terms
(http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms). They
should mainly grant the OSMF the rights listed in (2) and it would be
nice if they would make a statement to the fact that they actually own
the necessary rights in the data to do so.
Simon
Am 20.11.2013 20:28, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
> It's a very similar situation indeed, Jaakko. Here such forms would
> take years to get processed sometimes, it all depends on the good will
> of who receives the request. I've noticed that this "will" is more
> responsive when the person knows how to answer, or at least knows who
> to delegate the request to (specially if this person is not a very
> specialized busy top manager), so simple and easy questions are more
> effective at getting a clear answer faster.
>
> Wish you luck as well!
>
> Fernando
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com
> <jaakko at helleranta.com <mailto:jaakko at helleranta.com>> wrote:
>
> Same situation in Nicaragua. Many here say: Oh, it's all public
> domain! .. where they merely mean, We have it and can give it to
> you. Or: It's online and no one will protest (immediately at
> least) if you put it in OSM.
>
> The written permission (for which there are existing forms) is
> critical -- and I'm afraid that you'll likely not get that...
>
> Wishing you all the best, of course.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jaakko
>
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> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Fernando Trebien
> <fernando.trebien at gmail.com <mailto:fernando.trebien at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I
> have talked to don't seem to have access to any formal
> statement (contracts, laws, etc.) that ensures the data is
> truly "public domain" as they say. It is also possible that
> existing written statements would not clearly answer essential
> questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some
> other problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian
> authorities, and lack of court decisions that would help us
> interpret the law), I believe that getting them to write down
> exactly what we need them to agree with would be safer for us
> and also more productive for us and for them.
>
> Since these authorities often erroneously equate "public
> domain" with "free" or "open" (not even knowing the
> differences between the two), I believe the questions for them
> should be:
> - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users
> through OSM; and
> - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes.
>
> I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to
> hear your opinions and suggestions.
>
> Finally, we have already studied the data and found the
> conversion rather easy to do. Importing would probably require
> some coordinated effort, but for now it is the legal aspect
> that completely prevents us from beginning. Also, I think it
> would be fairer if the copyright page included a linked to the
> wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy some
> similar level of visibility.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch
> <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Fernando
>
> I gather from your questions that they are currently not
> distributing the data under a (well-)known licence or on
> any other documented terms?
>
> In any case before spending to much effort on trying to
> nail down the legal side, you really need to clarify if
> this is suitable data for OSM and if yes, if there is a
> process that will result in something that is digestible
> by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at
> least starting with the steps outlined in
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> As to being mentioned on
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , there is no
> written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past
> it seems to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in
> negotiation. Being listed there does not in any way
> indicate that the contributions are or were more important
> than contributions from the individuals and organisations
> listed here
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly
> there is a practical desire to keep the list on the
> copyright page as short as possible. Down the road we may
> have better mechanisms to build the attribution pages and
> then that may change. So for now it would depend on the
> outcome of any necessary negotiations.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
> Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a
>> public university here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've
>> shown interest in contributing to OSM their data, which
>> includes roads, land contours, vegetation data, maybe
>> even geological data (it is a pretty extensive database).
>> They would also like to be listed as a contributor here
>> in this page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>>
>> Though there may be a few details left to check yet,
>> they've stated so far that the dada is already regularly
>> used for commercial purposes by many Brazilian companies
>> at zero cost. So here's my question: what kind of
>> statement do they have to provide so that they get listed
>> in that page? What questions does the statement need to
>> answer?
>>
>> --
>> Fernando Trebien
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>>
>> "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months."
>> (Moore's law)
>> "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law)
>>
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> "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months."
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