[OSM-legal-talk] New contributing agency

Jaakko Helleranta.com jaakko at helleranta.com
Thu Nov 21 12:42:03 UTC 2013


This reminds me : Do we have a collection of approved / acceptable texts
for the agreement / statement somewhere?
The only texts that I have seen (not that I would have looked for examples
much) are the HOT templates for data contributions.

-Jaakko
 On Nov 21, 2013 5:22 AM, "Simon Poole" <simon at poole.ch> wrote:

>
> (IMHO naturally) From a content pov, an agreement or a statement from a
> contributing agency should be based roughly on the terms laid down in the
> contributor terms (
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms).   They
> should mainly grant the OSMF the rights listed in (2) and it would be nice
> if they would make a statement to the fact that they actually own the
> necessary rights in the data to do so.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 20.11.2013 20:28, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
>
> It's a very similar situation indeed, Jaakko. Here such forms would take
> years to get processed sometimes, it all depends on the good will of who
> receives the request. I've noticed that this "will" is more responsive when
> the person knows how to answer, or at least knows who to delegate the
> request to (specially if this person is not a very specialized busy top
> manager), so simple and easy questions are more effective at getting a
> clear answer faster.
>
>  Wish you luck as well!
>
>  Fernando
>
>  On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com <
> jaakko at helleranta.com> wrote:
>
>> Same situation in Nicaragua. Many here say: Oh, it's all public domain!
>> .. where they merely mean, We have it and can give it to you. Or: It's
>> online and no one will protest (immediately at least) if you put it in OSM.
>>
>>  The written permission (for which there are existing forms) is critical
>> -- and I'm afraid that you'll likely not get that...
>>
>>  Wishing you all the best, of course.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>> -Jaakko
>>
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>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Fernando Trebien <
>> fernando.trebien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I have
>>> talked to don't seem to have access to any formal statement (contracts,
>>> laws, etc.) that ensures the data is truly "public domain" as they say. It
>>> is also possible that existing written statements would not clearly answer
>>> essential questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some other
>>> problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian authorities, and
>>> lack of court decisions that would help us interpret the law), I believe
>>> that getting them to write down exactly what we need them to agree with
>>> would be safer for us and also more productive for us and for them.
>>>
>>> Since these authorities often erroneously equate "public domain" with
>>> "free" or "open" (not even knowing the differences between the two), I
>>> believe the questions for them should be:
>>> - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users through
>>> OSM; and
>>> - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes.
>>>
>>>  I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to hear
>>> your opinions and suggestions.
>>>
>>>  Finally, we have already studied the data and found the conversion
>>> rather easy to do. Importing would probably require some coordinated
>>> effort, but for now it is the legal aspect that completely prevents us from
>>> beginning. Also, I think it would be fairer if the copyright page included
>>> a linked to the wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy
>>> some similar level of visibility.
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>>  Fernando
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Fernando
>>>>
>>>> I gather from your questions that they are currently not distributing
>>>> the data under a (well-)known licence or on any other documented terms?
>>>>
>>>> In any case before spending to much effort on trying to nail down the
>>>> legal side, you really need to clarify if this is suitable data for OSM and
>>>> if yes, if there is a process that will result in something that is
>>>> digestible by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at least
>>>> starting with the steps outlined in
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>>>>
>>>> As to being mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright ,
>>>> there is no written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past it
>>>> seems to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in negotiation. Being
>>>> listed there does not in any way indicate that the contributions are or
>>>> were more important than contributions from the individuals and
>>>> organisations listed here
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly there is a
>>>> practical desire to keep the list on the copyright page as short as
>>>> possible. Down the road we may have better mechanisms to build the
>>>> attribution pages and then that may change. So for now it would depend on
>>>> the outcome of any necessary negotiations.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
>>>>
>>>>   Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a public
>>>> university here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've shown interest in
>>>> contributing to OSM their data, which includes roads, land contours,
>>>> vegetation data, maybe even geological data (it is a pretty extensive
>>>> database). They would also like to be listed as a contributor here in this
>>>> page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>>>>
>>>>  Though there may be a few details left to check yet, they've stated so
>>>> far that the dada is already regularly used for commercial purposes by many
>>>> Brazilian companies at zero cost. So here's my question: what kind of
>>>> statement do they have to provide so that they get listed in that page?
>>>> What questions does the statement need to answer?
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>> "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law)
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