[OSM-legal-talk] GADM license - any news?

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Tue Aug 25 10:55:09 UTC 2015


Simone, you are flogging a really dead horse (which has been discussed
many many many times before).

- the licence of the GADM dataset is incompatible with OSM
- in dire circumstances and with a very large effort, as Paul has
pointed out, three and a half years ago I managed to get hold of the
responsible person  with GADM and get explicit permission for a handful
of datasets that had been imported in violation of the import guidelines
and in principle should have been deleted
- the situation is documented here
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#GADM_.28Global_Administrative_Areas.29
- AFAIK I'm the last person that managed to get hold of the GADM people
and I don't see anybody volunteering to try again
- people will argue all day long about legal points of any kind

Simon

Am 25.08.2015 um 12:02 schrieb Simone Aliprandi:
> Thanks for your answer, Paul.
> Some further comments below.
>
>> GADM is still under a non-commercial license. I don't know who said they
>> were going to investigate, so you'd have to ask them, but I doubt
>> anything came of it. Independently of that, we got permission for some
>> datasets from GADM after the fact of a bad import, but this does not
>> mean we can import anything new.
> Which are these datasets? Are they relevant or minor datasets?
>
>>> Another interesting issue is that Naturalearthdata.com
>>> (http://www.naturalearthdata.com/) includes the GADM dataset as a
>>> source of data (see
>>> http://www.naturalearthdata.com/downloads/10m-cultural-vectors/10m-admin-1-states-provinces/).
>>> But Naturalearthdata.com release ALL ITS DATA as public domain. So...
>>> something is missing in the workflow. Any ideas/suggestions?
>> I don't see anything that says the admin 1 theme is derived from GADM. I
>> can see it listed in resources, but that's not a list of sources.
> Ok, I understand your point of view.
> I am not sure what they mean with "resources". Reading the whole page,
> it seems like the mean "sources"... but who knows.
>
> Here you can find a discussion about the GADM/NaturalEarthj licensins
> issues: http://www.naturalearthdata.com/forums/topic/licensing-naturalearth-pd-vs-gadm-license/
> Someone supports the theory that the administrative boundaries are
> FACTS (see also the Feist Case:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_Publications,_Inc.,_v._Rural_Telephone_Service_Co)
> and then in the public domain by default.
>
> Thanks. Bye, Simone
> --
> Simone Aliprandi - http://www.aliprandi.org | http://www.array.eu
>
>
> 2015-08-21 16:41 GMT+02:00 Simone Aliprandi <simone.aliprandi at gmail.com>:
>> I found an interesting dataset commonly called Berkely GADM
>> (http://www.gadm.org) and containing containing global administrative
>> areas.
>> It has a very pour and short license (or a "wannabe-license") that says:
>> - - - - - -
>> This dataset is freely available for academic and other non-commercial
>> use. Redistribution, or commercial use, is not allowed without prior
>> permission.
>> - - - - - -
>> It is really too vague. But it is quite clear that the "non
>> commercial" restriction makes this dataset not usefull for OSM.
>> In the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources page
>> of the OSM wiki I found a comment posted in 2009 that says:
>> - - - - - -
>> I'll investigate the part containing global administrative areas (but
>> called GADM). It seems to be very useful, because administrative
>> boundaries are missing for large parts of the world. One table in the
>> geodatabase (MS Access) contains information on copyright for every
>> country. I'll try to contact one of the persons at Berkeley, and ask
>> if they agree to lift the NC restriction for OSM.
>> - - - - - -
>> Do you know if any news have come in these six years? Do you know if
>> OSM received a sort of "direct permission" to include those data in
>> the OSM database?
>>
>> Another interesting issue is that Naturalearthdata.com
>> (http://www.naturalearthdata.com/) includes the GADM dataset as a
>> source of data (see
>> http://www.naturalearthdata.com/downloads/10m-cultural-vectors/10m-admin-1-states-provinces/).
>> But Naturalearthdata.com release ALL ITS DATA as public domain. So...
>> something is missing in the workflow. Any ideas/suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks very much. Simone
>>
>> --
>> Simone Aliprandi - http://www.aliprandi.org | http://www.array.eu
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