[Moderation] Rogue newbie mapper in Copenhagen

[Peter Miller]

On 21 Nov 2009, at 15:10, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I sent the following message to osmf-talk, but only having received a
> single reply, I am wondering whether it was the right place to send  
> it.
>
> In the meantime, the email exchange on talk-dk has continued, and the
> in face of even more requests to stop his actions, the rogue newbie
> appears to be even more defiant.

Thank you for your post.

I instigated that list a while back and expected it to quickly become  
the place where people would discuss responses to vandalism, suitable  
software resources so support the patrolling of new mappers and  
repairing the map after dodgy edits.

Unfortunately, it seems that the community is still waiting for  
someone else to get seriously stuck into the whole issue.

There are scripts that people can run to revert change-sets that have  
not had more work done on them afterwards. Can someone help out with  
this?

Also, any suggestions of how to get more work going in this area in  
general - or am I missing something?



Regards,


Peter


>
> Cheers,
> Morten (mok0)
>
>
> ---------
>
> We have in the last week or so had an intense diskussion with an
> apparently rogue newbie [0] on the talk-dk list.
>
> He presented himself as someone who had done "the massive changes" in
> the bicycle way system, and he would continue to go ahead "full speed"
> no matter what anyone said. He said that he dislikes the (legal)
> cycleway=track tags, and was going to change all those to parallel
> highway=bicycle ways. His motivation is:
>
>> A seperat bike lane has a seperat life and should be:
>>
>> highway-cycleway
>>
>> That gives you a blue exctra line/road!
>
> (cf. a single posting in english for some reason [1]).
>
> His edits are indeed massive and spread over the entire Copenhagen  
> area.
>
> His attitude in the email discussion has been very defiant, and when
> asked to hold back for having a discussion first, he has dismissed
> that with "I am using the german and dutch method" (whatever that
> means), and "please let me know why we should not do things like it's
> done in Germany and Netherlands." He appears to ask for a discussion,
> but apparently disregards objections and insists on compliance with
> his approach.
>
> Inspecting his work, it is obvious that it is technically of poor
> quality, and many artefacts have been introduced such as jagged
> connections to crossing side roads, bumps on T-intersections etc. I am
> suspecious that the edits are "living-room" edits without survey.
>
> It is true that cycleways in Denmark are sometimes tagged and
> sometimes traced as parallel ways on the main road. The consensus is,
> (in my interpretation) that a cycleway is defined the way it is for
> some reason, and the decision of the original mapper should be
> respected unless you perform a new survey and/or consult with the
> original mapper.
>
> He has not responded to other mappers' statements that the cycleway
> infrastructure in Denmark is different from some other countries, and
> that the danish mapping community has not yet settled on common
> guidelines on how
> to do this.
>
> What is the experience of the readership of this list on how to deal
> with rogue mappers? How do we decide whether or not to roll back his
> edits? Is there a specific code of conduct or guidelines for the OSM
> that can help in this regard?
>
> I am on purpose sending to the osmf-talk list and not osm-talk or  
> talk-
> dk because I do not want to unnecessarily fuel the fire at this point.
>
>
> Regards,
> Morten (mok0)
>
> [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Niels%20Beck
> [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-dk/2009-November/000241.html
>
> -- 
> Morten Kjeldgaard  <mortenkjeldgaard at gmail.com>
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