>From the wiki I thought the two are just different approaches to rendering, but what I see has happened to the area I mapped since Jan. 4th, is that mapnik takes care of zoom < 12 were osmarender covers zoom>=12. Is this true or is this a coincidence in the area I am working on: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.24&lon=6.857&zoom=11 HaraldK