James Fee james.fee at gmail.com
Thu Aug 20 02:37:05 UTC 2009

Sorry, I'm not buying your public service.  Waiting for the last  
minute before throwing this turd in the punchbowl is lame.

Freaking drama queens. If there is a good reason to change things I'm  
all for addressing this at the right time. Hours before the email vote  
closes smells of manipulation to me.

This is my first vote and I'm amazed at the bush league antics of this  

James Fee
jfee at weogeo.com
mobile: 480-225-2387

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On Aug 19, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Dear everyone,
>    this is a personal call on every OSMF member to please cast a vote
> in the election to the board of directors.
> List of candidates is here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM09/Election_to_Board
> and you can vote for (up to) 7 of the 11 candidates. You have  
> roughly 24
> hours left at the time of writing (voting by email closes at midnight
> BST (GMT+1) on Thursday).
> To vote, include the (up to) 7 names of people you want to vote for in
> an E-Mail and send it:
> To: secretary at osmfoundation.org    (Blackadder, OSMF secretary)
> cc: osmvotes2009 at randomjunk.co.uk (randomjunk, Independent scrutineer)
> cc: osmvotes2009 at bleah.co.uk  (sward, Independent scrutineer)
> Subject: OSMF Board Vote 2009
> I am writing this to increase member participation because I feel that
> unless enough members participate in the election, it will be largely
> controlled by one single business entity - CloudMade. Read details  
> below.
> Last year, about 30 OSMF members participated in the election of board
> members - that's probably one in four members who cast a vote or so.
> At the time, about 5 OSMF members were also employed by CloudMade, and
> assuming that they all cast a vote, that's somewhere between 15% and  
> 20%
> of actual votes cast by CM employees - no big deal.
> This year, more than 30 OSMF members are employed by CloudMade  
> (about 20
> of which, based in Kiev, have joined en-bloc very recently), plus a  
> few
> who are not employed but who are CM investors or consultants.
> If election participation is about the same as last year (i.e. one in
> four OSMF members vote at all), and assuming that all CloudMade
> employees intend to vote (why would 20 of them join OSMF a few days
> before the vote otherwise?), then this would mean that roughly 50  
> votes
> will be cast altogehter, more than 30 of which will come from  
> CloudMade
> employees, putting 60% of the vote in CloudMade hands.
> I find this situation deeply disturbing. Especially given the
> discussions we had about the question of how many board members should
> be allowed to be from one company; Nick Black and Jim Brown, both from
> CloudMade, were adamant that this should be the decision of the
> electorate - I wonder if, at the time, they did the same maths? It
> sounds a bit hollow now, given these numbers.
> And that's why I hope that many people actually bother to cast a vote;
> if not one in four, but one in two OSMF members vote, then the  
> CloudMade
> employee portion of votes would only be 30% which would feel better to
> me (no matter what the outcome of the vote is).
> As you probably know my personal preference is not to have any
> commercial influence on the OSMF board - but I am democrat enough to
> accept a different outcome if it is carried by a majority of  
> members. I
> would just wish that if a majority of members decides to vote for  
> Steve
> and Nick, that majority is not one consisting of their own employees.
> I must apologise for not being able to give exact numbers - all the
> "roughly"s and "probably"s and "approximately"s stem from the fact  
> that
> I only have access to the list of members of this mailing list and  
> must
> assume that this is more or less equivalent to the list of OSMF  
> members.
> When I say that 21 CM employees joined "very recently" then I mean  
> they
> have been subscribed to this list only a few hours ago but since  
> this is
> not an automatic process, their membership applications might also  
> be a
> few weeks old. Whether I count someone as a CloudMade employee is  
> based
> on looking at their E-Mail address and/or checking with Google and
> that's of course another possible source of errors. Also, no exact
> information is available about last year's vote (how many people were
> eligible to vote, and how many did vote). But while all this has the
> potential to change the numbers slightly, it is very unlikely to  
> change
> the overall situation that CloudMade employees are very likely to cast
> more than half of the votes at the upcoming election if the
> non-CloudMade members vote as lazily as they did last year - and hence
> this E-Mail.
> Bye
> Frederik
> -- 
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