[Osmf-talk] License with or without virus

80n 80n80n at gmail.com
Tue Dec 8 21:50:42 UTC 2009

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:38 PM, SteveC <steve at asklater.com> wrote:

> Taking a few points:
> On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:33 PM, 80n wrote:
> > Not one single case has been presented where the intent of the CC BY-SA
> license has been abused.
> It took what, 3 decades or something for the GPL to be tested in court. You
> want to wait for that, or be proactive?
> In the meantime we have plenty of people avoiding OSM because of all the
> ambiguities, stretching back to ITN and before.
> ITN is an example of CC BY-SA being effective.  ITN chose not to abuse the
license and did not use our data.

> It's OK for you to admit that you don't have any actual cases to back up
> your assertions that CC BY-SA doesn't work for data, but it's not OK to use
> OpenStreetMap as an example of it not working because it quite clearly has
> worked very well for over five years.
> Horses and carts worked so well, why did people move to motorised vehicles?
> Because they were better.

> > Do you think OSM would be anything like as successful as it is if the
> license totally didn't work?
> I think social pressure can hold things together only so far, and that's
> what we're relying on.

Where's your evidence for this?  Social pressure builds civilisations.
Selfish interests destroy them.

Commercial interests will rip OSM apart much quicker than the community
spirit that built it.
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