[Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] OSMF organizational change: Management Team

Harry Wood mail at harrywood.co.uk
Mon Aug 15 11:40:49 UTC 2011

The reality of the situation is that we have quite a small number of people involved in the board and working groups. We are all passionate and deeply involved in OpenStreetMap. We all understand the value of thecommunity

The board and WGs are trying to get some stuff done, but it feels like we're short on time, or short on manpower.  By adding a management team we may be improving matters, or we may be making things worse. I share Richard W's concerns. Having *more* meetings certainly doesn't feel like much of a solution in the short term.

Having said that, I hope it will ease some interaction between the different working groups and the board, but I also think it's good groundwork for expanding the organisation a little bit.  I think we should reach out and find more 
passionate OSMers who have time to help with doing the work of the 
working groups.  With more people involved, we'll need a team meeting regularly to take quick decisions, and we'll need the board to keep an eye on the big picture, and all these people will be passionate members of the OpenStreetMap community bouncing ideas around our crowd based organisation's fora and mailing lists all the way.

Harry Wood

----- Original Message -----
From: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" <g.gremmen at cetest.nl>
To: Gervase Markham <gerv at gerv.net>
Cc: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011, 8:17
Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] OSMF organizational change: Management Team

@Gervase I did not ask if other  non-profit made the same mistake or not (sheep are all-over),
but to *prove* that this works for a flat crowd based  organization the OSM is(was).
Or actually, I did not ask, but tell you it *will not*.

Apparently the same mistake as everywhere (administrations / big companies) has
hit the board: lack of time, so a intermediate layer is being installed.
I a huge project as OSM very soon the need for other levels will  rise
and the project will cease to exist in the mind of the contributors.

Only the sheep that clicked the CT arrangement without thinking and 
because of that do not have a real commitment to OSM will contribute until they
found another colored box to click in another project.  (The famous Majority of 120k+ )

And the board will rule, and the management team manages and the working groups work
and all will wonder why the project stalls now it's so wonderfully organized.

Let me tell you again, OSM is a crowd based organization. The CORE of it is
used to make consensus like decisions after extensive discussions on fora and
mailing lists.  This is what motivates  the real OSM-er, having something to create that 
has been decided upon themselves.
This is were strategy must be done, and not somewhere in London
by a team calling themselves "THE BOARD" telling the rest of the OSM there *IS*
a difference between *us* and *them*.

And do not come with the BullShit of elections and choose another OSMF/BOARD member.
We live in democratic countries with elections and we all know where that leads to,
especially in the UK these days.



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