[Osmf-talk] Question to board members

Mikel Maron mikel_maron at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 24 15:17:53 UTC 2012

Tom, absolutely a good, simple idea. I'd also add improvements to the email people receive when the sign up.

The point for me is, what's the plan and organizational strategy for this to actually happen?

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron

> From: Tom Chance <tom at acrewoods.net>
>To: Andy Robinson <blackadderajr at gmail.com> 
>Cc: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Question to board members
>Could one simple solution be a couple of automated reminder/follow-up emails?
>People who register and make at least one edit could get an email a week later thanking them, encouraging them to contribute more, and pointing them to mailing lists, the forum and local groups if they want to get help. It could also suggest some ways to contribute, like updating local shops that have closed and opened, adding in addresses, etc. as it's not all that obvious how and why you should become an active contributor in an area that has most of the roads, parks, and other basic features.
>People who have made say their first ten edits could get an email thanking them and showing them some useful tools like the ITO maps, lint tools, etc. to again give them an idea of how they could really make the data in their area top notch.
>None of this is a substitute for other good ideas flying around, but it has the virtue of being a smallish one-off coding and copywriting exercise with occasional ongoing work to update the copy.
>On 24 August 2012 11:18, Andy Robinson <blackadderajr at gmail.com> wrote:
>The answer to this type of feedback has all to regularly been "patches/input
>>welcome". Thus far in 8 years we have not internally found a way of
>>motivating seasoned volunteers to the project to produce some good novice
>>information and tools (and I'm not trying to belittle the excellent
>>volunteer efforts that have been worked on and offered in the past). Yes the
>>information is there when you know where to look or are pointed in the right
>>direction but it's not the same as being handheld by a welcoming
>>introduction to the whole process. Not everyone wants to communicate and
>>search to find their way in.
>>Perhaps this is something that would be worth outsourcing. As an experienced
>>mapper I'm too far removed from someone signing up and taking their first
>>tentative steps and this will be the case for many of use reading this. The
>>problem needs to be viewed and solutions found by a new user group and
>>perhaps an external contractor might be the way forwards for that. Ie paying
>>(from OSMF funds) for some user interfacing info/video/tools.
>>Of course as always with engaging a contractor to do something you need
>>someone else has to write the specification. That might be done internally
>>through sharing thoughts in our usual manner but it could equally be another
>>third party using feedback gathered from new sign-ups and first time
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stefano Fraccaro [mailto:stefano.fraccaro at libero.it]
>>> Sent: 24 August 2012 10:55
>>> To: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Question to board members
>>> Hi Christian
>>> Il 23/08/2012 22:02, Christian Quest ha scritto:
>>> > I agree with Frederik, a real study on motivation around OSM would be
>>> > really useful.
>>> +1
>>> > How/why people discovered OSM ?
>>> > Why do they register ?
>>> > Why so many register without making any contribution ?
>>> > Why many do a few edits and disappear ?
>>> > It is related to the editing tools, the documentation, the community
>>> > management ?
>>> I'm a novice mapper (from April 2012)... I can say that there is a
>>> documentation and communication problem. I have discovered many wiki
>>> pages, osm tools (like osm inspector) and documentation (like
>>> learnosm.org) only thanks to my italian community... but I think that
>>> don't want to waste their time searching (basic) documentation: a "nice to
>>> meet you" message with all links and info can be useful.
>>> First time, it was not clear how to map an object... I have understood
>>> later that OSM use key/value pair to store object properties.
>>> > We can talk about it, share our feeling, our thoughts, but nothing
>>> > will replace an in depth study... but it is not that easy to organize
>>> > and get meaningful results.
>>> +1
>>> > The main bias comes from the lack of answers we can expect from the
>>> > less motivated people.
>>> >
>>> > During the past months I contacted every new contributor that made
>>> > edits in France, to try to get them get in touch with the local
>>> > community we're trying to build. I got around 10% answered which is
>>> > much less than what I expected.
>>> Mapping is a time consuming task... but people understand this point only
>>> after registration (it's also my case).
>>> An introduction video could be useful to help novice people.
>>> Stefano Fraccaro
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