[Osmf-talk] Question to board members
mikel_maron at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 24 16:38:53 UTC 2012
> Therefore I think that all of the necessary components to integrate routing into osm.org are now available. So as soon as OSMF buys the necessary hardware, one could probably integrate routing into osm.org
> comparatively quickly and easily.
That is all awesome. Buying hardware is no problem. Who is the "one" who could probably do this integration?
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> From: Kai Krueger <kakrueger at gmail.com>
>To: Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>; "osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org" <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Question to board members
>On 8/24/2012 9:25 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:
>> All I'm saying is that we must not focus solely on the map - it's bad> enough if our mappers already do that ;)
>>Ok, let's focus on routing. There's been discussion and agreement before (several years now)
>>that having routing integrated in OSM.org in some way would be valuable to mappers
>>because it allows mappers to check the viability of OSM data for routing.
>>Tiles and nominatim integration on OSM.org provide a similar function.
>>Routing has not been integrated ad hoc. It's complicated both in terms of back end and interface.
>>We need a realistic and practical plan for routing to be integrated into OSM. We need to try another strategy.
>In recent times (and before that) Dennis Luxen (and others) has done
some great work on Open Source Routing Machine and has turned it
into a viable backend solution. With http://map.project-osrm.org/
he has even demonstrated the feasibility of operating a world wide
daily updated map (at least for car routing). With that, the specs
for the necessary hardware should also be now known. OSRM appears to
support a pretty good selection of routing related osm-tagging and
produces high quality routes in most cases if the data is correct.
It would be therefore a good solution for routing on osm.org
>If I understood it correctly he is also working on making it
feasible to have multiple modes of transport, such as bike and
pedestrian routing (without excessive hardware requirements). In the
meantime one can easily use a backend like gosmore to supply those
kind of routes. While gosmore can't do very long distance routes
like Los Angeles to New York or to some degree even struggles with
routes like Munich to Hamburg and thus isn't great for car routing,
it handles short distances which is the norm in pedestrian and
bicycle routing just fine with relatively moderate hardware
resources. As an alternative, or in addition, one could probably
also use an external routing backend like MapQuest for bicycle and
pedestrian routing until osmf can take over operating that service
there is also a functional prototype for integrating routing into
the osm.org. It currently uses map.project-osrm.org as the default car routing backend and gosmore as the default backend for other modes of transport. One can also select MapQuest and CloudMade as routing engines to compare them.
>Therefore I think that all of the necessary components to integrate
routing into osm.org are now available. So as soon as OSMF buys the
necessary hardware, one could probably integrate routing into
osm.org comparatively quickly and easily.
>>The most promising strategy right now is the model we employed for the redaction bot, hiring someone to lead the effort.
>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>> From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
>>>To: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:10 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Question to board members
>>>On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:18 +0300
>>>Rich <richlv at nakts.net> wrote:
>>>> we don't send a message like that, it's just human
nature - no
>>>> reward, no motivation.
>>>Yep. I'm all for more rewards! But those can come in
many forms, and
>>>Jaakko was specifically saying that people don't map
what is not SHOWN
>>>ON THE MAP, which is only one of many potential forms of
>>>> in a similar manner i have every now and then not
mapped things i
>>>> know won't show up.
>>>That's because the map is a nicer reward than, say, some
>>>simple statistic saying "Rich has contributed 1024 nodes
>>>there could be many other forms of reward, for example
nicer and more
>>>meaningful statistics broken down by areas or whatever.
>>>contributed 25% of routing-specific data in the area you
>>>viewing". (Where routing-specific data = turn
>>>limits, access restrictions - all hugely important stuff
>>>difficult to show on any map, even at z20.)
>>>All I'm saying is that we must not focus solely on the
map - it's bad
>>>enough if our mappers already do that ;)
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