[Osmf-talk] Losing faith

Andrew Salzberg andrew.salzberg at gmail.com
Wed Jan 16 01:50:58 UTC 2013


I am as new to the project as Ivo, and equally ignorant of past disputes,
but his common sense approach has my full support.
On Jan 15, 2013 7:00 PM, "Scott Neville" <scott07 at worldsofwar.co.uk> wrote:

>  I quite agree with this, I am equally new to OSMF and I find it quite
> crazy that this thread is going on.  I can see why there is a need to have
> a degree of accountability on these things, but things need to be done in
> proportion.  One of the first thing I was taught about management (yes I
> have been fortunate enough to have done many management courses...... they
> were not all a total waist of time.... I am sure there was one that was
> only mostly a waist of time.... anyway), it was good leadership is knowing
> when to keep your nose out.  The argument was if someone is doing a good
> job and directing themselves in the right way then just leave them alone to
> continue and allow them to feel they are the master of their own destiny.
> So if Steve was doing a good job then why not leave him be (I say if,
> because I very much dislike social media like twitter and facebook, so I
> have no opinion on what "good" use of twitter is)?  I see the need for
> accountability, but as so many others have pointed out is group tweet not a
> solution to this?
>
> Well thats my 2 cents worth.
>
> Scott
>
> On 15/01/13 23:08, Ivo Stankov wrote:
>
> I am fairly new to OSM (since August 2012) and very new as an OSMF member
> (this is virtually the first thread I am seeing since enthusiastically
> joining a month ago).
>
> None of the names in this list, apart from Steve Coast, say anything to me
> and everything I know about Steve comes from the contents of his Wikipedia
> entry. What I want to say with this is, I know none of you personally and
> have no knowledge of prior politics and feuds amongst you.
>
> As a wide-eyed newcomer, all I can say is, guys, this is just too much
> drama from all sides! "I gave you everything!", "I'm resigning!",
> "Bullies!" etc. Seriously, do you even comprehend how much creative energy
> is lost for such a petty ego fight?! Quite disappointing.
>
> From following the discussion, my personal opinion is, that the whole
> thing boils down to two questions:
> 1. Is @openstreetmap an ultra official channel of the OSMF, dealing only
> with official announcements?
>     From reading the tweets, I think the answer is no, some are playful,
> some are not that relevant to OSMF, etc. And this is the way it should be.
> 2. Can the community trust Steve Coast, the founder of OSM and definitely
> the most well known face of OSM from the point of view of the broad public,
> to be sensible enough to write tweets from @openstreetmap that are
> beneficial for OSM and not partisan or potentially questionable?
>      I do not know him well, but somehow I think this should be a given.
>
> If you ask me, this Grouptweet solution, where the author of the tweet is
> even visible to the outside users, is quite a good idea.
>
> - Ivo
>
>
> On 15.01.2013 23:28, Mikel Maron wrote:
>
>  Yea, for real.
>
>  Doesn't http://grouptweet.com/ solve the problem?
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
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> *From:* "toffehoff at gmail.com" <toffehoff at gmail.com> <toffehoff at gmail.com><toffehoff at gmail.com>
> *To:* Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> <steve at asklater.com>
> *Cc:* osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Osmf-talk] Losing faith
>
> Guys,
>
> Please quite the whole mudslinging here. It's not really helping the
> discussion.
>
> Will the person without sin please throw the first stone.
>
> Lets try and keep the discussion in a constructive tone and clean of
> personal attacks ….
>
> Henk
>
>
>
> Op 15 jan. 2013, om 22:48 heeft Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> >
> > On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> >> 4. I'm very sad to see Richard throw in the towel; I felt the same when
> Emilie resigned in 2011, and I think it is mostly due to both being at the
> receiving end of what I would call bullying. I don't yet know how to
> achieve that but it is pretty clear to me that OSMF won't go anywhere if we
> don't manage to get rid of that problem.
> >
> > I've been in OSMF phone calls with you shouting obscenities at people,
> Fred. Maybe you could start there.
> >
> > I think it's inappropriate to make these allusions when you know that
> there are mails on board@ nobody is seeing and you were not there in
> prior meetings when Emilie resigned, either.
> >
> > Steve
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