[Osmf-talk] Reaching out and diversity (Was: Re: AGM and board elections)

Derick Rethans osm at derickrethans.nl
Mon Oct 6 11:02:59 UTC 2014

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Jaak Laineste (Nutiteq) wrote:

> 1. is the closed osmf member list really best place to discuss such 
> things?

Not really. This is an issue that affects everybody. But the discussion 
started here, so IMO, we just as well should finish it.

> 2. culturally sensitive grown-up person would avoid to add any 
> questionable tags to the default preset lists. It may be ok for you 
> and me, or even useful to some brothel-fan mapper - they can add it 
> locally. But lets consider also many people (e.g. teachers etc) from 
> any more conservative country (which is over 50% of countries) who are 
> studying JOSM and see such “strong word”. For me it seems that some 
> people think that it is funny to add and keep such presets to the UI, 
> but in fact it is not. Yes, some tags can be subject to discussions, 
> but these adult-oriented tags are obviously not necessary nor nice. Or 
> do you really want to scare off all school teachers from OSM?

THat's my main point with this as well. If we want to be inclusive, then 
we need to be a bit sensible. I tried raising that in the JOSM patch, 
but as usual, these opinions are just brushed off. 

This has nothing to do with censorship, just being an open and friendly 

When I showed this JOSM screenshot[1] to my wife (before explaining the 
situation), she was wondering why there was a preset for Brothel there. 
She suggested this could go into a subsection to make it less obvious; 
but, I think it fits better in a external (non-default preset) - like, 
what was suggested to do for a childcare preset…‽[2].


[1] http://derickrethans.nl/files/dump/josm-preset.png
[2] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/10569#comment:4

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