[Osmf-talk] Running

Clifford Snow clifford at snowandsnow.us
Thu Oct 23 18:45:31 UTC 2014


+1
On Oct 23, 2014 11:11 AM, "Henk Hoff" <toffehoff at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI, SotM has never been a one-man show.
>
> This year, it's Gonzalo, Malena, Fernando and several more people in
> Argentina who make it happen
> Last year, it has been Brian, Nick, Mary and a bunch more people who have
> been working their pants off
> In Tokyo, it has been  ....
> Etc
>
> Sorry, but when you label SotM a one-man show around me, you're light
> years away from reality and you're not doing right to all those people who
> have spent blood sweat and tears in the current and previous SotM events.
> SotM-crew, you know who you are. You all rock!
>
>
> Henk
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frederik at remote.org]
> Verzonden: donderdag 23 oktober 2014 19:21
> Aan: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
> Onderwerp: Re: [Osmf-talk] Running
>
> Hi,
>
> On 10/23/2014 04:57 PM, steve at asklater.com wrote:
> > No more pretending everything is wonderful.
>
> [...]
>
> > I think it's a real shame that Henk wasn't supported in his SOTM work
> > this year.
>
> I'm surprised that you would say that. Were you present in the (several)
> board meetings where Henk either refused or neglected to let the rest of
> the board in on the current state of planning? We had SOTM on the agenda
> more than once and Henk certainly did not ask for help.
>
> I know that Henk put in lots of hours in SotM and I refrained from
> pointing a finger but if you really intend to start looking for what went
> wrong then SOTM has "Communication Failure" written in red, flashing
> letters across page one. And this didn't start with Buenos Aires, it is
> something that has always been there - one person at the centre not
> allowing anyone else to peek in their books. This works as long as it works
> but if that one person then becomes dragged under with other stuff, you've
> set yourself up for failure because you aren't
> *allowing* other people to support you.
>
> I know you're a fan of Henk's. Remember the F2F dinner in Berlin where you
> said that SOTM wouldn't be going anywhere without Henk, and I said that's
> precisely the problem? Things haven't changed, SOTM is still a one-man show
> by design.
>
> What is a shame is not that Henk wasn't supported but that there's not
> even a setup that would let anyone give support. You know that perfectly
> well but still you write ominous lines like the ones I quoted above,
> pointing a finger at god-knows-whom (whoever it was who should have lent
> support I guess). Not pretending everything is wonderful is a good step
> ahead. Not pretending everything is someone else's fault would also be
> welcome.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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