[Osmf-talk] Running

deb deb at dtold.com
Thu Oct 23 20:44:55 UTC 2014


+1


> On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2014 11:11 AM, "Henk Hoff" <toffehoff at gmail.com> wrote:
>> FYI, SotM has never been a one-man show.
>> 
>> This year, it's Gonzalo, Malena, Fernando and several more people in Argentina who make it happen
>> Last year, it has been Brian, Nick, Mary and a bunch more people who have been working their pants off
>> In Tokyo, it has been  ....
>> Etc
>> 
>> Sorry, but when you label SotM a one-man show around me, you're light years away from reality and you're not doing right to all those people who have spent blood sweat and tears in the current and previous SotM events.
>> SotM-crew, you know who you are. You all rock!
>> 
>> 
>> Henk
>> 
>> 
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frederik at remote.org]
>> Verzonden: donderdag 23 oktober 2014 19:21
>> Aan: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Osmf-talk] Running
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On 10/23/2014 04:57 PM, steve at asklater.com wrote:
>> > No more pretending everything is wonderful.
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> > I think it's a real shame that Henk wasn't supported in his SOTM work
>> > this year.
>> 
>> I'm surprised that you would say that. Were you present in the (several) board meetings where Henk either refused or neglected to let the rest of the board in on the current state of planning? We had SOTM on the agenda more than once and Henk certainly did not ask for help.
>> 
>> I know that Henk put in lots of hours in SotM and I refrained from pointing a finger but if you really intend to start looking for what went wrong then SOTM has "Communication Failure" written in red, flashing letters across page one. And this didn't start with Buenos Aires, it is something that has always been there - one person at the centre not allowing anyone else to peek in their books. This works as long as it works but if that one person then becomes dragged under with other stuff, you've set yourself up for failure because you aren't
>> *allowing* other people to support you.
>> 
>> I know you're a fan of Henk's. Remember the F2F dinner in Berlin where you said that SOTM wouldn't be going anywhere without Henk, and I said that's precisely the problem? Things haven't changed, SOTM is still a one-man show by design.
>> 
>> What is a shame is not that Henk wasn't supported but that there's not even a setup that would let anyone give support. You know that perfectly well but still you write ominous lines like the ones I quoted above, pointing a finger at god-knows-whom (whoever it was who should have lent support I guess). Not pretending everything is wonderful is a good step ahead. Not pretending everything is someone else's fault would also be welcome.
>> 
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>> 
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