[Osmf-talk] Running

Kathleen Danielson kathleen.danielson at gmail.com
Thu Oct 23 18:51:17 UTC 2014


This is one of the least professional, rudest emails I have ever seen on an
OSM mailing list. It is completely out of line.

When I say that we have an unhealthy community and that OSMF is broken,
this is what I am talking about.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> On 10/23/2014 04:57 PM, steve at asklater.com wrote:
> > No more pretending everything is wonderful.
> [...]
> > I think it's a real shame that Henk wasn't supported in his SOTM work
> > this year.
> I'm surprised that you would say that. Were you present in the (several)
> board meetings where Henk either refused or neglected to let the rest of
> the board in on the current state of planning? We had SOTM on the agenda
> more than once and Henk certainly did not ask for help.
> I know that Henk put in lots of hours in SotM and I refrained from
> pointing a finger but if you really intend to start looking for what
> went wrong then SOTM has "Communication Failure" written in red,
> flashing letters across page one. And this didn't start with Buenos
> Aires, it is something that has always been there - one person at the
> centre not allowing anyone else to peek in their books. This works as
> long as it works but if that one person then becomes dragged under with
> other stuff, you've set yourself up for failure because you aren't
> *allowing* other people to support you.
> I know you're a fan of Henk's. Remember the F2F dinner in Berlin where
> you said that SOTM wouldn't be going anywhere without Henk, and I said
> that's precisely the problem? Things haven't changed, SOTM is still a
> one-man show by design.
> What is a shame is not that Henk wasn't supported but that there's not
> even a setup that would let anyone give support. You know that perfectly
> well but still you write ominous lines like the ones I quoted above,
> pointing a finger at god-knows-whom (whoever it was who should have lent
> support I guess). Not pretending everything is wonderful is a good step
> ahead. Not pretending everything is someone else's fault would also be
> welcome.
> Bye
> Frederik
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