[Osmf-talk] What's all this stuff about HOT, and how is it relevant for OSMF.

[Simon Poole]

Am 04.12.2017 um 17:14 schrieb Mikel Maron:
> Simon, thanks. I think there's a couple misunderstandings though.
>
> > Heathers election platform essentially offers to (re-)form the OSMF
> (and by extension OSM) just as you did HOT
>
> I've seen nothing from Heather that suggests "reforming" OSMF and OSM.
> Rather her vision fits nicely with the current course and ideas which
> the Board and Foundation. Helping to engage more members and
> volunteers in our efforts is something we all want.
Do I really have to start quoting page after page from Heather, I
suspect we've all already read her manifest, and everybody can decide
for themselves.
>
> > the humanitarian sector voluntarily  limiting itself to a presence
> of a maximum of two seats on the OSMF board  (note a limit not an
> entitlement). This should encompasses employees and equivalent of such
> organisations, larger funders and organisations that derive a majority
> of their income from such organisations.
>
> So, there are currently zero people on the Board "from the
> humanitarian sector". I don't know if this limit would be valid or
> not, but it's definitely not relevant for the current election.
Sorry you just linked to a piece with the history of HOT mainly
featuring you, made a longish statement that boils down to that HOT was
all your idea  and formed according to your vision, you work for a
company that, well it was actually you, announced strategic alignment
with HOT, you've worked professionally in the filed, you hold a formal
position inside HOT and are a voting member and then you turn around and
say that is all not true?

Simon

>
> -Mikel
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch
> <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     Am 04.12.2017 um 04:21 schrieb Mikel Maron:
>>
>>     Hey everybody
>>
>>
>>     A few notes, on all this discussion of HOT, and what’s actually
>>     relevant from that for the OSMF.
>>
>>
>     Thank Mikel for clarifying this.
>
>     It does show why it both current threads on osmf-talk are
>     completely on topic, Heathers election platform essentially offers
>     to (re-)form the OSMF (and by extension OSM) just as you did HOT.
>     Hearing out to a certain point those that lost out in HOT due to
>     such a course is just a part of determining if we want to elect
>     somebody that is proposing a similar course.
>
>     Now I'm not sure there is much point in hearing the nitty-gritty
>     details of who did what, because in the end what does count, is
>     that in the end an identifiable sub-group couldn't continue on
>     working inside HOT, including the co-founder. That is quite OK in
>     a startuppy kind of way (we can wait for the cinematic version in
>     "The Humanitarian Network" :-)), but as you say it can not be a
>     role model for OSM.
>
>     Given the perceived need for strong leadership, clear command
>     structures and responsibilities in the humanitarian sector that
>     you describe, it is unlikely the the influence of the humanitarian
>     sector topic will be going away and will continue to have the
>     potential for lots of strife: what about the humanitarian sector
>     voluntarily  limiting itself to a presence of a maximum of two
>     seats on the OSMF board (note a limit not an entitlement). This
>     should encompasses employees and equivalent of such organisations,
>     larger funders and organisations that derive a majority of their
>     income from such organisations.
>
>     Simon
>
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