[Osmf-talk] What's all this stuff about HOT, and how is it relevant for OSMF.

[Mikel Maron]

> everybody can decide for themselves

Amen!

> that is all not true

That's all true history, but I just don't think you know me well enough to
know my whole history, and we're focusing on HOT because it's been
(unfairly) made an election issue.

What I disagree with -- that I represent the humanitarian sector on the
Board. Any more than I represent the UK community or craftmappers (I mapped
an entire city by bicycle) or Mapbox (my employer) or the DWG (which I
started) or State of the Map (which I am actively engaged in).


On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:

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> Am 04.12.2017 um 17:14 schrieb Mikel Maron:
>
> Simon, thanks. I think there's a couple misunderstandings though.
>
> > Heathers election platform essentially offers to (re-)form the OSMF
> (and by extension OSM) just as you did HOT
>
> I've seen nothing from Heather that suggests "reforming" OSMF and OSM.
> Rather her vision fits nicely with the current course and ideas which the
> Board and Foundation. Helping to engage more members and volunteers in our
> efforts is something we all want.
>
> Do I really have to start quoting page after page from Heather, I suspect
> we've all already read her manifest, and everybody can decide for
> themselves.
>
>
> > the humanitarian sector voluntarily  limiting itself to a presence of a
> maximum of two seats on the OSMF board  (note a limit not an
> entitlement). This should encompasses employees and equivalent of such
> organisations, larger funders and organisations that derive a majority of
> their income from such organisations.
>
> So, there are currently zero people on the Board "from the humanitarian
> sector". I don't know if this limit would be valid or not, but it's
> definitely not relevant for the current election.
>
> Sorry you just linked to a piece with the history of HOT mainly featuring
> you, made a longish statement that boils down to that HOT was all your
> idea  and formed according to your vision, you work for a company that,
> well it was actually you, announced strategic alignment with HOT, you've
> worked professionally in the filed, you hold a formal position inside HOT
> and are a voting member and then you turn around and say that is all not
> true?
>
> Simon
>
>
> -Mikel
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Am 04.12.2017 um 04:21 schrieb Mikel Maron:
>>
>> Hey everybody
>>
>> A few notes, on all this discussion of HOT, and what’s actually relevant
>> from that for the OSMF.
>>
>> Thank Mikel for clarifying this.
>>
>> It does show why it both current threads on osmf-talk are completely on
>> topic, Heathers election platform essentially offers to (re-)form the OSMF
>> (and by extension OSM) just as you did HOT. Hearing out to a certain point
>> those that lost out in HOT due to such a course is just a part of
>> determining if we want to elect somebody that is proposing a similar course.
>>
>> Now I'm not sure there is much point in hearing the nitty-gritty details
>> of who did what, because in the end what does count, is that in the end an
>> identifiable sub-group couldn't continue on working inside HOT, including
>> the co-founder. That is quite OK in a startuppy kind of way (we can wait
>> for the cinematic version in "The Humanitarian Network" :-)), but as you
>> say it can not be a role model for OSM.
>>
>> Given the perceived need for strong leadership, clear command structures
>> and responsibilities in the humanitarian sector that you describe, it is
>> unlikely the the influence of the humanitarian sector topic will be going
>> away and will continue to have the potential for lots of strife: what about
>> the humanitarian sector voluntarily  limiting itself to a presence of a
>> maximum of two seats on the OSMF board (note a limit not an entitlement).
>> This should encompasses employees and equivalent of such organisations,
>> larger funders and organisations that derive a majority of their income
>> from such organisations.
>>
>> Simon
>>
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