[Osmf-talk] [HOT] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Rafael Avila Coya ravilacoya at gmail.com
Fri Dec 15 22:14:40 UTC 2017

Hi, Kate:

But the thing is that maybe the person who said that didn't mean that he 
hates anybody. It would be, in fact, quite weird for me to think that he 
really, personally, hates iD devs. This all is an exaggeration, and 
taking that so seriously is childish from my point of view.



On 15/12/17 23:06, Kate Chapman wrote:
> Michael,
> In English it would be okay to say you hate a thing, it is not okay to 
> say you hate people or a group of people. What was said was completely 
> inappropriate because of that difference.
> -Kate
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:03 PM, nebulon42 <nebulon42 at mailbox.org 
> <mailto:nebulon42 at mailbox.org>> wrote:
>     While the user's statement was inappropriate I think that this
>     particular sentence had a bit of a colloquial touch. In German you could
>     also say "Ich hasse ..." (I hate ...) in a sense of a sigh to be
>     unsatisfied with something. Naturally, this cannot be conveyed through
>     an e-mail and might or might not be the case. Cultural differences might
>     be at play here.
>     I can also understand Brian insofar that as software maintainer you
>     essentially get no thanks but are constantly asked why this or that does
>     not work like the user expects it or why this or that is missing. On
>     openstreetmap-carto the most often opened issue is "Why is the rendering
>     for x missing?" or "Please add x to the map". There are situations where
>     you react with "enough of that" to a small trigger.
>     Am 2017-12-15 um 19:43 schrieb Dale Kunce:
>     > This is not an effort to
>     > curb free speech but instead to build a positive collaborative space to
>     > discuss.
>     I believe you, but sure you know that there have been a lot of
>     accusations and maybe also conspiracy theories about that particular
>     topic in relation to HOT. An outsider like me cannot easily decide what
>     is and what isn't true, but I'm still concerned. So you get touchy
>     reactions to such a statement like yours along the lines of "hey, they
>     want to suppress/censor us". While that is a bit far fetched apparently
>     a lot of people are over-sensitive these days. So maybe everyone should
>     be extra-diplomatic until this over-sensitiveness goes away again?
>     Michael
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