[Osmf-talk] [HOT] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Rory McCann rory at technomancy.org
Sun Dec 17 10:49:20 UTC 2017

Yes, people can change. Yes, trying to convince people it's good to talk about actions, not inherent attributes. Yes, we often learn the unconscious biases from the societies we grow up in. etc.

Having said that:

I hate homophobes. I hate racists. I hate transphobes. I hate bigots. I hate misogynists.

When designing a code of conduct, think if what I've just said breeches that CoC, and if that's the sort of language you want to penalise.

On 15 December 2017 23:06:38 CET, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:
>In English it would be okay to say you hate a thing, it is not okay to
>you hate people or a group of people. What was said was completely
>inappropriate because of that difference.
>On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:03 PM, nebulon42 <nebulon42 at mailbox.org>
>> While the user's statement was inappropriate I think that this
>> particular sentence had a bit of a colloquial touch. In German you
>> also say "Ich hasse ..." (I hate ...) in a sense of a sigh to be
>> unsatisfied with something. Naturally, this cannot be conveyed
>> an e-mail and might or might not be the case. Cultural differences
>> be at play here.
>> I can also understand Brian insofar that as software maintainer you
>> essentially get no thanks but are constantly asked why this or that
>> not work like the user expects it or why this or that is missing. On
>> openstreetmap-carto the most often opened issue is "Why is the
>> for x missing?" or "Please add x to the map". There are situations
>> you react with "enough of that" to a small trigger.
>> Am 2017-12-15 um 19:43 schrieb Dale Kunce:
>> > This is not an effort to
>> > curb free speech but instead to build a positive collaborative
>space to
>> > discuss.
>> I believe you, but sure you know that there have been a lot of
>> accusations and maybe also conspiracy theories about that particular
>> topic in relation to HOT. An outsider like me cannot easily decide
>> is and what isn't true, but I'm still concerned. So you get touchy
>> reactions to such a statement like yours along the lines of "hey,
>> want to suppress/censor us". While that is a bit far fetched
>> a lot of people are over-sensitive these days. So maybe everyone
>> be extra-diplomatic until this over-sensitiveness goes away again?
>> Michael
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