[Osmf-talk] [HOT] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Rory McCann rory at technomancy.org
Sun Dec 17 13:08:20 UTC 2017

This is bigoted shite.

A year before OSM was founded it was illegal for a teacher in the UK to say "It's OK to be gay". Your idea of academic freedom never existed, it's a fantasy.

On 17 December 2017 03:52:31 CET, John Gilmore <gnu at toad.com> wrote:
>> > It is doubtful that there ever was a SotM visitor under this CoC
>who has
>> > not violated it during the conference
>> This is a really extraordinary claim you are making. You're basically
>> saying that *every* SotM conference visitor has engaged in harassing
>> behavior.
>I believe what he is saying is that "harassing behavior" is so vaguely
>defined in the CoC that indeed every visitor could be deemed to have
>engaged in it.
>I think this "speech code" stuff has gone way too far.
>It's verging on the kind of "trigger warning" and "microaggression"
>coddling that universities are doing to muzzle students and professors
>from stating actual opinions (like "I believe the most qualified
>person should get the job.") or asking challenging questions.
>If you can't stand hearing questions about your sexual orientation,
>maybe you shouldn't have one.  (Just kidding, I know everybody has
>one.  Oops, was that a "sexist joke"?  Can I get banned now?  Or was
>that merely offensive to asexual people, who actually don't have one
>and don't like to be reminded of it?)  I'm not saying anyone has to
>*answer* questions you don't like, but I do not support outlawing the
>*asking* of questions merely because they make the listener
>We would do far better by teaching our community members how to deal
>with hecklers, than by trying to ban them.
>Don't assume hatred when ordinary conversation or curiosity suffices.
>For example, I don't believe that asking someone if they've had
>genital reassignment surgery is always transphobic.  If you're going
>to be an "out" tranny, you'd better expect a few questions from the
>hoi polloi.  Is asking them whether they've had their tonsils out
>germophobic?  Does asking them whether they go to church show a hatred
>of religion?  Or is it instead anti-atheist?  Maybe it's anti-Jewish,
>because you didn't call it a "synagogue"?  It may be impolite to ask
>whether you've had your face lifted, but it's not uglyphobic.  But is
>impoliteness a violation of the CoC?  It's impossible to know, since
>the key term "harassment" is never defined.
>I'm a supporter of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
>(thefire.org) which is actively eliminating this kind of insane
>political correctness on steroids (oops, prejudicial to athletes!) on
>campuses all over the country:
>As the article points out, if someone actually does have an emotional
>illness or condition (like PTSD) that can be triggered merely by
>hearing about a topic, avoiding innocuous triggers is exactly the
>*wrong* thing to help them recover.  The road to recovery is paved
>with getting triggered over and over, in ordinary, safe circumstances,
>and eventually noticing that you don't have to overreact whenever a
>trigger event happens.
>And does the CoC still contain "swift punishment without due process"
>for those who violate this code?  Yep; "the conference organizer may
>take any action they deem appropriate, including warning the offender
>or expulsion from the conference with no refund."  The prohibited
>activities are not specified, and the range of possible punishments
>aren't defined either; they can take ANY ACTION THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE.
>And "Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to
>comply immediately."  So we're all agreeing that our community will
>tolerate unlimited amounts of censorship and impunity, at least if
>preceded by a claim that "somebody said or did or failed to say or do
>something that made someone else feel harassed"!
>No thanks.
>I'm a big believer in diversity -- but I think we lose most of the
>benefits of diversity if we are afraid to talk about what makes us
>diverse.  The cure for bad speech is more speech - not bans.
>	John
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