[Osmf-talk] Paying Board/WG was: Standing for board election

Yves yvecai at gmail.com
Sun Nov 26 16:28:58 UTC 2017

If you "hire someone who can consult and work with the global community" you have at least already decided to pay a community manager :) 

Le 26 novembre 2017 16:56:22 GMT+01:00, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com> a écrit :
>Dear Colleagues, I answered this question on the wiki.
>Paying staff for core needs of OSMF is a priority over a paid board.
>we need the research and structures to support that pathway. It will
>time, but the risk of not investigating is the current state. If I had
>dithers, I would beg for us to invest in community managers but without
>fundraisers or product leads, we would need to plan first. We are not
>first OS community to ask these questions. Thus, I recommend that we do
>homework, write a plan, hire someone who can consult and work with the
>global community to negotiate and implement the next steps.
>Heather Leson
>heatherleson at gmail.com
>Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
>Blog: textontechs.com
>On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Christoph Hormann
><chris_hormann at gmx.de>
>> On Sunday 26 November 2017, Simon Poole wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't think that it is a particular mystery, essentially the
>> > mainstay of OSM are people that actually like improving the map
>> > (likely around 60'000-70'000 these days) plus some developers that
>> > like working on OSM-associated projects (very small number maximum
>> > the low 100s, mostly a subset of the first group).
>> >
>> > Given that most people don't have unlimited time budgets for their
>> > hobbies, volunteering for the working groups or any other
>> > non-mapping/non-software related activities simply  takes time away
>> > from activities which were the reason you got involved in the first
>> > place. Not to forget that lots of the active contributors are
>> > doing similar things at the national/local level.
>> Sure - and another important reason is probably that a lot of people
>> volunteer for mapping and development in OSM because they consider it
>> useful and rewarding work they can do in an independent and self
>> dependent way - which for many presents a healthy contrast to their
>> job.  OSMF work likely for many appears much more like a normal job
>> which is exactly what they do not want to do in their spare time.
>> Maybe a way to acknowledge that and get more volunteer help under
>> circumstances is to recruit volunteers more often for smaller
>> individual tasks independently rather than for general participation
>> a working group.  I could imagine this for multiple items on the
>> current and past agenda of the board.  Even for things like DWG work
>> (think of a pool of independent mediators the DWG could hand over
>> issues to investigate and to attemt mediating them).
>> You might think: Where is the difference? - That is how we work
>> but this is also to a significant extent about perception.  The
>> perception of OSMF work for the average mapper is not generally that
>> inviting in that regard.  Showing people they can contribute on their
>> own terms without having to spend hours on comittee meetings to get
>> involved would probably go a long way.
>> --
>> Christoph Hormann
>> http://www.imagico.de/
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