[Osmf-talk] Communication style - moderation - CoC [was Re: Board members with similar background (was: 2018 a third episode...)}
Christoph Hormann
chris_hormann at gmx.de
Sun Dec 16 11:17:13 UTC 2018
Thank you for so amply demonstrating why so many in the OSM community do
not want anything from the HOT organizational culture in OSM. This
self centered view of how awsome and fantastic you and your peers are
combined with the condescending dismissal of any critique or even just
critical reflection of your world view is just remarkable.
The level of intolerance that shines through in your statements is
impressive as well - the idea for example "to create more local
mappers" is particular revealing for an attitude of cultural
imperialism - you want to create local mappers "in your image" so to
speak, adopting your cultural values - contrasting with the values of
mapper recruitment in OSM otherwise, which encourages people to become
mappers bringing in their own cultural values and priorities and not
giving a damn what people with money on the other side of the world
think they should map or how they should do it.
When you then say "We just want an OSMF that supports *all mappers *from
whatever community they are from" that is just sickening in its
hollowness because in the same mail you essentially call to ostracize
Nicolas. This demonstrates the same imperialistic attitude i pointed
out before - you want to welcome everyone but only as long as they
adjust and subordinate themselves to your cultural values. You
probably don't realize this but for people outside your small HOT
bubble this largely appears extremely arrogant and snotty.
No one forces you to engage in discussion with Nicolas here. If you
can't communicate with him on a respectful level just don't do it.
I for one welcome the input from Nicolas and the valuable perspectives
it brings into the discussion. It can take a bit of practice to get
used to his style of communication (which is faily common for French
people writing in English) and i don't take everything he writes at
face value because like everyone else he has his own subjective view of
things but he shows a hundred times more restraint, tolerance and self
reflection than you do which makes a world of difference in how i
perceive it.
Note i do not consider the HOT organizational culture as manifested in
the statements from Dale and to some extent from other people involved
in HOT recently to be something that is internalized by everyone in
HOT. There are many individual HOT activists and members who have an
admirable personal attitude that is of high value for OSM. But in
situations like this with representatives of HOT communicating a highly
problematic amount of intolerance and disrespect (and by the way not
only to Nicolas but also more broadly to the OSM community) i often
wish they'd speak up and make clear this is not a culture of
communication and attitude towards OSM they endorse. And the silence
of other people from HOT on this kind of behaviour in a way is a strong
support for what Nicolas indicates.
--
Christoph Hormann
http://www.imagico.de/
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