[Osmf-talk] Humanitarian work

Milo van der Linden milo at dogodigi.net
Sun Dec 16 21:07:46 UTC 2018


Fantastic idea! You can count me in too.



Op za 15 dec. 2018 12:58 schreef Anders Anker-Rasch <anders at anker-rasch.no:

> Great idea. I hereby declare my interest in a HWG within OSMF.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anders
>
>
> Den 15.12.2018 11.56, skrev Frederik Ramm:
> > Hi,
> >
> > changed the subject again into something less combative.
> >
> > On 12/14/18 11:08 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
> >> OpenStreetMap is a proper noun not a verb (if that wasn't clear).
> > Frankly that is more puzzling that what was said before but I think I
> > get the direction.
> >
> > The problem is that with the name it has, HOT practically lays claim to
> > all humanitarian work in the OSM context. The name is so descriptive
> > that everyone who thinks of a humanitarian project with OSM, thinks HOT.
> >
> > And many of us are actually furthering that conception by pointing
> > everyone to HOT when it is about anything humantiarian - e.g. if someone
> > contacts the board of directors or CWG with an inquiry that somehow
> > includes an aid project, they are certain to get the recommendation of
> > talking to HOT.
> >
> > We don't do that in other departments. When someone emails board asking
> > "where can I buy map tiles" or so, we'll take great care not to point to
> > one specific provider, but point them to a list on the Wiki where
> > everyone can add themselves.
> >
> > Until now the existence of HOT has basically been a reason for OSMF to
> > keep out of anything humanitarian. We act as if HOT was "our department"
> > for humanitarian work, while at the same time having zero influence on
> > HOT.[*]
> >
> > Perhaps this should change! Why don't we accept the fact that HOT is
> > only one of many groups doing humanitarian work, and embrace the topic
> > ourselves. Let us create a "humanitarian working group" of the OSMF
> > which is then our go-to group for anything humanitarian, and this
> > working group can then either have small projects of their own, or
> > advise third parties, or interface with HOT and other groups where
> > necessary. If it works well, then this group could also provide advice
> > and coordination for humanitarian mapping projects in general.
> >
> > That would then hopefully end the "special status" of HOT, and serve to
> > reduce sentiment against HOT or humanitarian mapping altogether, because
> > humanitarian OSM work would then have its proper place inside our
> > organisation where currently there's just a void.
> >
> > Bye
> > Frederik
> >
> > [*] "zero influence" is not fully correct since we own the OpenStreetMap
> > trademark and could stop HOT from using it in their name, but that would
> > be a really drastic action that we'd probably only take if HOT stopped
> > doing OSM mapping and produced wellington boots instead.
> >
>
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