[Osmf-talk] Humanitarian work

[Manfred A. Reiter]

great - so we are three ;-)

Am So., 16. Dez. 2018 um 22:10 Uhr schrieb Milo van der Linden <
milo at dogodigi.net>:

> Fantastic idea! You can count me in too.
>
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> Op za 15 dec. 2018 12:58 schreef Anders Anker-Rasch <anders at anker-rasch.no
> :
>
>> Great idea. I hereby declare my interest in a HWG within OSMF.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Anders
>>
>>
>> Den 15.12.2018 11.56, skrev Frederik Ramm:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > changed the subject again into something less combative.
>> >
>> > On 12/14/18 11:08 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
>> >> OpenStreetMap is a proper noun not a verb (if that wasn't clear).
>> > Frankly that is more puzzling that what was said before but I think I
>> > get the direction.
>> >
>> > The problem is that with the name it has, HOT practically lays claim to
>> > all humanitarian work in the OSM context. The name is so descriptive
>> > that everyone who thinks of a humanitarian project with OSM, thinks HOT.
>> >
>> > And many of us are actually furthering that conception by pointing
>> > everyone to HOT when it is about anything humantiarian - e.g. if someone
>> > contacts the board of directors or CWG with an inquiry that somehow
>> > includes an aid project, they are certain to get the recommendation of
>> > talking to HOT.
>> >
>> > We don't do that in other departments. When someone emails board asking
>> > "where can I buy map tiles" or so, we'll take great care not to point to
>> > one specific provider, but point them to a list on the Wiki where
>> > everyone can add themselves.
>> >
>> > Until now the existence of HOT has basically been a reason for OSMF to
>> > keep out of anything humanitarian. We act as if HOT was "our department"
>> > for humanitarian work, while at the same time having zero influence on
>> > HOT.[*]
>> >
>> > Perhaps this should change! Why don't we accept the fact that HOT is
>> > only one of many groups doing humanitarian work, and embrace the topic
>> > ourselves. Let us create a "humanitarian working group" of the OSMF
>> > which is then our go-to group for anything humanitarian, and this
>> > working group can then either have small projects of their own, or
>> > advise third parties, or interface with HOT and other groups where
>> > necessary. If it works well, then this group could also provide advice
>> > and coordination for humanitarian mapping projects in general.
>> >
>> > That would then hopefully end the "special status" of HOT, and serve to
>> > reduce sentiment against HOT or humanitarian mapping altogether, because
>> > humanitarian OSM work would then have its proper place inside our
>> > organisation where currently there's just a void.
>> >
>> > Bye
>> > Frederik
>> >
>> > [*] "zero influence" is not fully correct since we own the OpenStreetMap
>> > trademark and could stop HOT from using it in their name, but that would
>> > be a really drastic action that we'd probably only take if HOT stopped
>> > doing OSM mapping and produced wellington boots instead.
>> >
>>
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