[Osmf-talk] Voting "recommendations" by employers (straw poll)

Allan Mustard allan at mustard.net
Sun Nov 11 01:20:29 UTC 2018

I agree with Frederik, speaking as an employee (and manager) of a large
organization known as the U.S. government :-)  I think it needs to be
written down to avoid abuse in the future or at minimum to give OSMF
grounds to take future action if needed.  As the saying goes, "Hope for
the best, plan for the worst." 

IMHO "grassroots project" is ok but "crowdsourced project" might be
better.  I could live with either.


On 11/10/2018 10:37 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> the overwhelming majority of OSMFers participating in this discussion
> would prefer employers to refrain from suggesting what their employees
> should vote for.
> I'm happy about this outcome; I was honestly a little worried that
> perhaps my opinion was a minority opinion and we'd find lots of people
> saying things like "hey, big companies know best what's good for OSM so
> they should have a say" or so ;)
> We cannot rely on companies and organisations somehow magically doing it
> right; we must write it down. I reckon it could perhaps go onto the
> welcome.openstreetmap.org site somewhere, which is mainly aimed at that
> group. I'll make a pull request there if we can agree on a good wording.
> I was thinking maybe:
> "If you are an employer and you want to encourage your OSM-involved
> staff to become members of the OpenStreetMap Foundation, that's a great
> idea and we welcome it. However, as a grassroots project we ask you to
> respect our decision making processes and refrain from suggesting to
> your employees any particular use of their participatory power, like
> recommending a vote for certain candidates in an election. Becoming a
> member and exercising their membership rights must be the sole decision
> of the individual."
> Would that be something that everyone could get behind? Or is the
> "grassroots project" term maybe too much of a political one and should
> be replaced with "a project conceived and run by individual volunteers"
> or so?
> We could add "Please also refrain from offering incentives, like a
> reimbursement of the membership fee, for employees who join the OSMF.";
> the majority of people didn't think this was a good idea, though that
> majority is not as overwhelming as the "voting recommendations" one.
> Bye
> Frederik

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