[Osmf-talk] "Western Balkans"? Re: Fee Waiver Program announcement

Ilya Zverev ilya at zverev.info
Fri Nov 16 10:39:29 UTC 2018

Legally you cannot use OSM services from the territories which are targets for sanctions from the United Kingdom, Crimea included:


I believe that also includes being a part of the Foundation.


> On 16 Nov 2018, at 13:13, Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski <me at komzpa.net> wrote:
> Sanctions: do they apply to OSMF membership too?
> Can it happen that someone from Russia (or Crimea) can't really legally join OSMF because of some kind of British restrictions?
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 1:02 PM Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com <mailto:penorman at mac.com>> wrote:
> On 2018-11-16 1:01 AM, Rory McCann wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Paul.
> >
> > One question: The country list on that page, and the linked PayPal
> > page[1], refers to "Western Balkans", which isn't a country.
> >
> > Wikipedia[2] says "Western Balkans is a neologism coined to refer to
> > Albania and the territory of the former Yugoslavia less Slovenia". But
> > that includes Croatia, which is a member of the European Union! I
> > thought we were in a single market! Depending on your political
> > orientation, I've traveled (twice) in all, or nearly all, of those
> > countries, and 1 or 2 of those countries use the Euro. I don't remember
> > having a problem using my credit or debit card.
> >
> > I'm not really opposed to granting everyone from there free membership
> > to the OSMF. Would it not be more respectful to list the country names
> > individually rather than lump them into one geographic neolingualism? 
> We've taken the list from PayPal, which has in turn taken it from 
> sanctions. We'll have to find out what that means exactly. I suspect 
> this is one of those cases where someone impacted by the sanctions will 
> be very aware of it. If someone has expertise in what countries are 
> embargoed from PayPal, please contact the MWG. We had to figure out the 
> list from research.
> We haven't formally set the priority for the next work, but my view is 
> that aside from extending the program for financial need, we'll be 
> spending time on adding countries to the list where the transfer costs 
> are excessive, and learning more about sanctions and embargos.
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