[Osmf-talk] "Western Balkans"? Re: Fee Waiver Program announcement

[Simon Poole]

Am 16.11.2018 um 11:39 schrieb Ilya Zverev:
> Legally you cannot use OSM services from the territories which are
> targets for sanctions from the United Kingdom, Crimea included:
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#III._Unlawful_and_other_unauthorized_uses
>
> I believe that also includes being a part of the Foundation.

I don't quite see why that would be the case, except if you are an
individual or entity actually subject to sanctions.

Simon

>
> Ilya
>
>> On 16 Nov 2018, at 13:13, Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski <me at komzpa.net
>> <mailto:me at komzpa.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Sanctions: do they apply to OSMF membership too?
>>
>> Can it happen that someone from Russia (or Crimea) can't really
>> legally join OSMF because of some kind of British restrictions?
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 1:02 PM Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com
>> <mailto:penorman at mac.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 2018-11-16 1:01 AM, Rory McCann wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Thanks Paul.
>>     >
>>     > One question: The country list on that page, and the linked PayPal
>>     > page[1], refers to "Western Balkans", which isn't a country.
>>     >
>>     > Wikipedia[2] says "Western Balkans is a neologism coined to
>>     refer to
>>     > Albania and the territory of the former Yugoslavia less
>>     Slovenia". But
>>     > that includes Croatia, which is a member of the European Union! I
>>     > thought we were in a single market! Depending on your political
>>     > orientation, I've traveled (twice) in all, or nearly all, of those
>>     > countries, and 1 or 2 of those countries use the Euro. I don't
>>     remember
>>     > having a problem using my credit or debit card.
>>     >
>>     > I'm not really opposed to granting everyone from there free
>>     membership
>>     > to the OSMF. Would it not be more respectful to list the
>>     country names
>>     > individually rather than lump them into one geographic
>>     neolingualism?
>>
>>     We've taken the list from PayPal, which has in turn taken it from
>>     sanctions. We'll have to find out what that means exactly. I suspect
>>     this is one of those cases where someone impacted by the
>>     sanctions will
>>     be very aware of it. If someone has expertise in what countries are
>>     embargoed from PayPal, please contact the MWG. We had to figure
>>     out the
>>     list from research.
>>
>>     We haven't formally set the priority for the next work, but my
>>     view is
>>     that aside from extending the program for financial need, we'll be
>>     spending time on adding countries to the list where the transfer
>>     costs
>>     are excessive, and learning more about sanctions and embargos.
>>
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