[Osmf-talk] voting fraud

Rihards richlv at nakts.net
Thu Jan 31 17:45:41 UTC 2019

On 31.01.19 19:36, Eric Sherman wrote:
> How is this logical? Actual fraud and conspiracy is OF COURSE more
> damaging than perception of such.

I was trying to keep it short and referencing the earlier thread on
conflict of interest.
In total, many companies find that there is much less damage caused by
actual conflict of interest than by perceived conflict of interest.
Potential conflicts of interest are too often not properly declared and
by having a larger number of them, the total damage ends up being higher.

> I understand the temptation to draw links between these ‘events’. After
> all, our brains are wired to draw connections and look for big
> explanations for dramatic events.
> However, that does not mean that it actually took place.

Absolutely correct. I tried to stress that in my email a few times.

> If you are so concerned about perception doing more damage than reality,
> why a laundry list of rumors and speculation? By your logic, you are
> doing even more damage.
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:28 AM Rihards <richlv at nakts.net
> <mailto:richlv at nakts.net>> wrote:
>     Perceived conflicts of interest can cause more damage than actual
>     conflicts of interest.
>     Similarly, perceived participation in voting fraud can cause more damage
>     than actual participation. I'll list facts and suspicions that have been
>     voiced on various channels in the hope that all former and existing
>     board members and candidates will publicly denounce the GlobalLogic
>     actions and strongly deny any possible connection or prior knowledge of
>     the fraudulent activities.
>     The suspicions listed below are not mine - all of the information is
>     already floating around in various discussion channels/forums. Not
>     dispersing those suspicions causes harm for the potentially involved
>     individuals and OSM community in general.
>     Please do not cherrypick individual items - I'll stress again that it
>     does not matter what one might think of each of the individual items.
>     These suspicions and accusations do damage all together.
>     * GlobalLogic (GL) employees have clashed with individual mappers, DWG
>     and other OSM entities regarding their map changes (when Grab-contracted
>     or otherwise).
>     * GL employees have worked with HOT and have similarly relaxed attitude
>     towards the quality of map data.
>     * Organised editing policy has been disliked by corporate-related
>     mappers and board members.
>     * Organised editing policy was affected by the board's take on it.
>     * Several board members and candidates are HOT related.
>     There are dangerous suspicions[1] that a growing number of community
>     members are expressing:
>     * GL is unlikely to waste 1500+ GBP (2000 USD; just the membership fees)
>     without certain confidence that this expense will pay back.
>     * It is unlikely that none of the board members or candidates had not
>     the slightest clue this was happening.
>     * It is likely that some had a role in organising this.
>     * Various dismissals (contrasting GL employee influx with population of
>     India) and delays regarding the MWG report make all the suspicions more
>     valid.
>     Is there a way out?
>     It might be same as with the child-molesting priests. Lack of strong
>     denouncement shifts the public perception against the accused.
>     [1] They are more dangerous if they are incorrect.
>     -- 
>      Rihards
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