[Osmf-talk] Use ESRI vector OSM for osm.org?

[Milo van der Linden]

Got it.

Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 15:02 schreef Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski <
me at komzpa.net>:

> Hi,
>
> ESRI is the first tiles that recreate OSM Standard look in vector, that is
> why it's more relevant. Given that ESRI is a gold corporate member of OSM
> Foundation, it may happen it chooses to donate rendering stack to the
> community, so we can get this next technological leap.
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Milo van der Linden <milo at dogodigi.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree on the vector tiles, I do however think esri is getting to much
>> credit when we say we are going to use their vector tiles. Mapnik tried to
>> pioneer this field, followed by Mapbox, then the openmaptiles initiative
>> started too and when esri saw the potential, they hopped on the wagon as
>> well. It is my hope that the openstreetmap community, when moving to vector
>> tiles, will adapt the most open standard available.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_tiles
>> https://openmaptiles.org/about/
>>
>> Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 10:20 schreef Oleksiy Muzalyev <
>> oleksiy.muzalyev at bluewin.ch>:
>>
>>> The real advantage and promise of the vector tiles approach is the
>>> possibility to select a language of the map. I did not find this feature on
>>> the ESRI map.
>>>
>>> Langue selection would end the "language editing wars", it would also
>>> make the map practicable for tourists. For example, one wants the map of
>>> Beijing in, say, Spanish, - here you are, select the Spanish language in
>>> the drop-down list. But for this to work the tag: name:es=Pekín should be
>>> present in the OSM database.
>>>
>>> The geographical names differ even in linguistically close languages.
>>> And it should be reflected in the OSM database for the language selection
>>> to work well. I mean there should be a big preparation process on the
>>> database editing (mapping) side.
>>>
>>> One more consideration, - the client side rendering sounds like there is
>>> one client. But in fact it means rendering in a browser, or even more
>>> correctly in a rendering engine of a browser [1]. Rendering engines, or for
>>> simplification JavaScript engines, are developed by web browser vendors,
>>> and they differ here and there not only between vendors, but between newer
>>> and older versions, and between operating systems too. There are quite a
>>> few browsers: Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Internet Explorer, and so on.
>>>
>>> It means that our vector layer should work not in one or two, but in all
>>> of them, on all operating systems. What is not a trivial task at all, since
>>> client side rendering depends even more on multiple ever-changing browsers,
>>> as opposite to the current server side rendering, where all the heavy
>>> lifting is done on a single server, which is under control of the OSM
>>> community.
>>>
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_engine
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Oleksiy (Alex-7 @ OSM)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/19 00:50, Clifford Snow wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM Milo van der Linden <milo at dogodigi.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there an invasion of esri fans?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think its so much being an ESRI fan but more the hope that we
>>> migrate to vector tiles for osm.org. ESRI is just showing us that it
>>> can be done. Vector tiles can bring a lot of power and customization to the
>>> osm.org site. However, getting to vector tiles will take a concentrated
>>> effort from a group of volunteers.
>>>
>>> (While I have a strong desire that osm.org be running vector tiles, I
>>> don't have the skills.)
>>>
>>> What we can do is
>>>
>>> 1. call for volunteers that are willing to do the hard work
>>> 2. give guidance to the volunteers
>>> 3. provide systems resources to enable them to develop and test
>>>
>>> Clifford
>>>
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