[Osmf-talk] Use ESRI vector OSM for osm.org?

Sun Jul 14 15:33:15 UTC 2019

Hello,

Is there full data schema documentation for the tiles, and what is license terms for this, and for the styling definitions? Something like OMT has here: https://openmaptiles.org/schema/ <https://openmaptiles.org/schema/>? Some companies (e.g. Mapbox) prefer to keep these as internal IP, so the vector tiles could be there, but they work in their own tools only. 

The low level MVT format is Mapbox original one, or with some extensions?

Jaak 

> On 14 Jul 2019, at 16:02, Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski <me at komzpa.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> ESRI is the first tiles that recreate OSM Standard look in vector, that is why it's more relevant. Given that ESRI is a gold corporate member of OSM Foundation, it may happen it chooses to donate rendering stack to the community, so we can get this next technological leap.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Milo van der Linden <milo at dogodigi.net <mailto:milo at dogodigi.net>> wrote:
> I agree on the vector tiles, I do however think esri is getting to much credit when we say we are going to use their vector tiles. Mapnik tried to pioneer this field, followed by Mapbox, then the openmaptiles initiative started too and when esri saw the potential, they hopped on the wagon as well. It is my hope that the openstreetmap community, when moving to vector tiles, will adapt the most open standard available.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_tiles <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_tiles> https://openmaptiles.org/about/ <https://openmaptiles.org/about/> 
> 
> Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 10:20 schreef Oleksiy Muzalyev <oleksiy.muzalyev at bluewin.ch <mailto:oleksiy.muzalyev at bluewin.ch>>:
> The real advantage and promise of the vector tiles approach is the possibility to select a language of the map. I did not find this feature on the ESRI map.
> 
> Langue selection would end the "language editing wars", it would also make the map practicable for tourists. For example, one wants the map of Beijing in, say, Spanish, - here you are, select the Spanish language in the drop-down list. But for this to work the tag: name:es=Pekín should be present in the OSM database. 
> 
> The geographical names differ even in linguistically close languages. And it should be reflected in the OSM database for the language selection to work well. I mean there should be a big preparation process on the database editing (mapping) side.
> 
> One more consideration, - the client side rendering sounds like there is one client. But in fact it means rendering in a browser, or even more correctly in a rendering engine of a browser [1]. Rendering engines, or for simplification JavaScript engines, are developed by web browser vendors, and they differ here and there not only between vendors, but between newer and older versions, and between operating systems too. There are quite a few browsers: Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Internet Explorer, and so on. 
> 
> It means that our vector layer should work not in one or two, but in all of them, on all operating systems. What is not a trivial task at all, since client side rendering depends even more on multiple ever-changing browsers, as opposite to the current server side rendering, where all the heavy lifting is done on a single server, which is under control of the OSM community.
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_engine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript_engine>
> 
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy (Alex-7 @ OSM)
> 
> 
> On 7/14/19 00:50, Clifford Snow wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM Milo van der Linden <milo at dogodigi.net <mailto:milo at dogodigi.net>> wrote:
>> Is there an invasion of esri fans?
>> 
>>  
>> I don't think its so much being an ESRI fan but more the hope that we migrate to vector tiles for osm.org <http://osm.org/>. ESRI is just showing us that it can be done. Vector tiles can bring a lot of power and customization to the osm.org <http://osm.org/> site. However, getting to vector tiles will take a concentrated effort from a group of volunteers. 
>> 
>> (While I have a strong desire that osm.org <http://osm.org/> be running vector tiles, I don't have the skills.)
>> 
>> What we can do is
>> 
>> 1. call for volunteers that are willing to do the hard work
>> 2. give guidance to the volunteers
>> 3. provide systems resources to enable them to develop and test
>> 
>> Clifford
>> 
>> -- 
>> @osm_washington
>> www.snowandsnow.us <https://www.snowandsnow.us/>
>> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> osmf-talk mailing list
>> osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> osmf-talk mailing list
> osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk>
> 
> 
> -- 
>  <http://www.dogodigi.net/>	
> Milo van der Linden
> web: dogodigi <http://www.dogodigi.net/>
> tel: +31-6-16598808
> _______________________________________________
> osmf-talk mailing list
> osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk>
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darafei Praliaskouski
> Support me: http://patreon.com/komzpa <http://patreon.com/komzpa>_______________________________________________
> osmf-talk mailing list
> osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmf-talk

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/attachments/20190714/c1c6d78e/attachment.html>