[Osmf-talk] OSMF & Video Chat | Re: Next OSMF board meeting on Friday 17 April 2020, at 17:00 London time

Allan Mustard allan at mustard.net
Sun Apr 12 14:12:58 UTC 2020

We think it is worth a try.  If it doesn't work well we will try
something else. 

On 4/12/2020 8:03 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> On Saturday 11 April 2020, Rory McCann wrote:
>> [...] We
>> found video chat much nicer than the audio-only
>> [Mumble](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble) that the board
>> has been used for years. The board will trial having board meetings
>> on video chat.
> For some comments on this see
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/apm-wa/diary/392620#comment46918
>> Please, please, [create an
>> account](https://osmvideo.cloud68.co/user/signup) well before the
>> meeting. Please.
> Here i see a number of issues:
> * First of all on a completely formal level that sign up form lacks -
> you can probably already guess it - a privacy policy.
> * Looking for what ToS and privacy policy might apply i found this:
> https://cloud68.co/legal/terms-of-service
> https://cloud68.co/legal/privacy-policy
> Reading over this there are some fairly vague and fishy things in
> there - for example the rights they reserve to share personal
> information with third party are too broad and non-specific for my
> taste (and i am no expert but i suppose it would also not meet legal
> requirements here).
> * Beyond that i would suggest to contemplate if this hosting setup is
> suitable as a long term solution for board meetings (and possibly other
> OSMF meetings i suppose).  Normal board meetings are public so there is
> no real confidentiality concern.  But you have non-public meetings as
> well.  Conducting them on a commercial service where the operators have
> no meaningful contractual obligation to not share details of these
> meetings with third parties is a potential problem from my perspective.
> You could of course argue the same applies to using the HOT mumble
> server but (a) HOT has a much clearer and more specific privacy policy
> and (b) you could always move to the FOSSGIS mumble server when there
> are concerns about this. ;-)  This is of course not something that
> necessarily needs to be addressed right away.  If the software proves
> to be useful in the OSM context it is even likely that some local
> chapters might host a version of it and the OSMF could use that.
> * Independent of the missing privacy policy I think it is not really
> appropriate to require members to sign up with their full name to
> participate in the meetings without the clear assurance that this name
> is not shared publicly.  Generally in the OSM context providing your
> OSM user name should be sufficient although i understand that if the
> board wants to verify only OSMF members listen in and since providing
> an OSM user name is not mandatory for becoming an OSMF member this is a
> bit tricky.
> Minor thing that might be useful for others:  The software seems to
> offer the UI in different languages but you have no manual language
> selector so you will have to use your browser's preferred language
> setting for this.
> As mentioned already in the diary comment i applaud the board for trying
> out new means of communication - that will certainly be useful
> independent of the question if critical evaluation shows this specific
> setup actually being beneficial or not.
> --
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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